Children are safer at drag shows than in church

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Alan H

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FKT thinks that the whole "religion" thing is a fantasy. He's said that he's not interested in enacting laws that make it illegal to have, or speak about what he considers a stupid fantasy, but gets pissed off when people who believe in this fantasy try to shove religion-based law through government, and force their beliefs on him and others. He's been upfront about his belief that the whole Jesus thing is more or less a delusion. I should be free to have my stupid delusion, if I want it, just don't force my delusion on anybody else.

Which is fine. I totally agree. I can have my religion, he can think it's stupid, it's all good. We agree, no religion has any business running civil government, or forcing through laws, at all.

I have two points.... Two simple points, and one corollary. That's it. That's all that I've had since I got my hackles raised up by yet another poster in PA who wrote "Christian" when what he meant was "Bible slinging RWNJ". I'll lay it out in numerical order one last time for those of you with comprehension issues.

1.) yes, there's terrible stuff that has been done in the name of "Religion", but there is also good stuff. Like all human institutions there's good and bad mixed up.

2.) that just because some Christians do awful stuff; carry AR-15's and march around with red baseball caps on, or worse... abuse kids... does not mean that ALL Christians do those things. In fact tens of millions of Christians and Christian churches in the USA do not do those things. The same goes for any other major religion.

What's the corollary? Well, when someone uses the word "Christian" when what they mean is "right wing fucking nut job with a bible" .... "Or Sodomizing Priest/minister/bishop"...I get a little annoyed, 'cause you know, I'm a Christian and I'm not a RWNJ, and haven't sodomized anybody. Maybe it would be smart to actually use the right words to get your message across.

This is just not that hard to understand. That is crystal clear. It's not unreasonable, it's not difficult. It's just not, and no amount of deflecting, changing the subject, or throwing around of graphs is going to change it.
 
Lark

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Alan H said:
It's like you didn't even read what I wrote....at all. Where did I claim that "religious behavior" is superior to human behavior in general? Where? How many times have I written that religious history is chockablock with horrific shit...like Texas pastors abusing kids? Ten? Twenty? Fifty?

And then you go and change the subject AGAIN, to go off on tithing and hanging out in church on sailing days.... UTTERLY IGNORING the two simple points I have tried to make at least twenty times in two different threads here on PA.

It's incredible. If I tattooed those two points on your eyeballs you STILL couldn't see them, and if you did, you'd A.) deny that they existed and B.) try to change the subject again. I'll say this, though. Thanks for the perfect example you just posted, of how impossible it is to communicate even the simplest idea about "religion" here in PA.
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Just what does religion bring to the table in your eyes? Presumably your deity isn‘t a narcissist in need of constant groveling to feel a sense of self worth. I’ve had preachers assure me of this. They argue church attendance is still necessary, so we can become better people and rise above the limitations of our animal natures, original sin, etc through community and peer pressure.

You just destroyed their argument with a reality check. So what is the point of religion if it’s not self improvement or groveling? All that I see left is mediocre entertainment and wealth transfer from the flock to the shepherd, with some redistributed without oversight to the needy, if the shepherd doesn’t need a plane. Donating directly seems more efficient.
 
Mike G

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Alan H said:
What's the corollary? Well, when someone uses the word "Christian" when what they mean is "right wing fucking nut job with a bible" .... "Or Sodomizing Priest/minister/bishop"...I get a little annoyed, 'cause you know, I'm a Christian and I'm not a RWNJ, and haven't sodomized anybody. Maybe it would be smart to actually use the right words to get your message across.

This is just not that hard to understand. That is crystal clear. It's not unreasonable, it's not difficult. It's just not, and no amount of deflecting, changing the subject, or throwing around of graphs is going to change it.
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I think the RWNJ's might get annoyed that you lump them into a group like you do. I doubt there's a single one of them that would consider themselves a nut job. And I'm sure they'd be able to point out to you the good they've done in the community. Following the bible that they choose and interpret is something they take great pride in.


Kind of judgy, aren't you?
 
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Another Mega church Speaks out, we let these scum bags live TAX FREE,
Fuck the church's that steal from the American taxpayer, mean while their having sex with younger members of their flock. Catholic church still #1 google for more
All over a comic book and some cool hippie that no one listens too, you the 10 commandments.
A couple years back

https://www.bing.com/search?q=priest+caught+having+sex+with+young+boys&FORM=HDRSC1



Shit if they want a brand name Mickey up for bids this year, think of that following;




Google :

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Fah Kiew Tu

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Alan H said:
FKT thinks that the whole "religion" thing is a fantasy.
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Well, they can't *all* be correct, now can they? The amount of contradictory stuff is pretty close to 100%.

So my conclusion is that none of them are true.

I don't believe in revealed truths by some 'holy' man. You want to believe, fine, I'm good with that.

I find it amusing that here in Australia the person taking the fight to the gambling lobby in an attempt to restrict damage to the addicted gamblers isn't the secular leader of his political party, no indeed, it's the known religious Catholic leader of the State Government who's being attacked for his beliefs. The secular leader of the supposed worker's party doesn't want to upset the gambling lobby.

Very amusing.

FKT
 
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dfw_sailor

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Alan H said:
FKT thinks that the whole "religion" thing is a fantasy. He's said that he's not interested in enacting laws that make it illegal to have, or speak about what he considers a stupid fantasy, but gets pissed off when people who believe in this fantasy try to shove religion-based law through government, and force their beliefs on him and others. He's been upfront about his belief that the whole Jesus thing is more or less a delusion. I should be free to have my stupid delusion, if I want it, just don't force my delusion on anybody else.

Which is fine. I totally agree. I can have my religion, he can think it's stupid, it's all good. We agree, no religion has any business running civil government, or forcing through laws, at all.

I have two points.... Two simple points, and one corollary. That's it. That's all that I've had since I got my hackles raised up by yet another poster in PA who wrote "Christian" when what he meant was "Bible slinging RWNJ". I'll lay it out in numerical order one last time for those of you with comprehension issues.

1.) yes, there's terrible stuff that has been done in the name of "Religion", but there is also good stuff. Like all human institutions there's good and bad mixed up.

2.) that just because some Christians do awful stuff; carry AR-15's and march around with red baseball caps on, or worse... abuse kids... does not mean that ALL Christians do those things. In fact tens of millions of Christians and Christian churches in the USA do not do those things. The same goes for any other major religion.

What's the corollary? Well, when someone uses the word "Christian" when what they mean is "right wing fucking nut job with a bible" .... "Or Sodomizing Priest/minister/bishop"...I get a little annoyed, 'cause you know, I'm a Christian and I'm not a RWNJ, and haven't sodomized anybody. Maybe it would be smart to actually use the right words to get your message across.

This is just not that hard to understand. That is crystal clear. It's not unreasonable, it's not difficult. It's just not, and no amount of deflecting, changing the subject, or throwing around of graphs is going to change it.
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I've been super busy so not had time to discuss.

A couple of points I'd like to make, but first I will commend your brand of church for the child protection policies it implemented before other churches.

Firstly, for religions such as southern baptist, catholicism and the like, the issue is not the pedophiles themselves, it is the enablers who were aware and did not speak out. In the situation I discussed much earlier, the enablers in just one happening were fellow priests, nuns of the same community, even senior lay people such as my parents were advised to keep their child away from certain priests / buildings.

Not one of them went public, because of recriminations, don't rock the boat, the priest is ordained by God, who gives us challenges, so we have to support the priest etc etc.

A perfunctory Google search of the Lutheran Church seems to indicate it doesn't operate that way, and that's great.

But, the wider community is now conditioned to expect this abhorrent behavior, because most of the major denominations did operate that way, so high numbers.

Secondly, like it or lump it, we are in a digital age of communication that is very visual and headlines means dollars to the communicators.

The majority of headlines at the moment related to religion are either about christian nationalism, or child abuse.

And I totally agree the majority of churches / pastors / priests are against both.

Sorry to take so long to get to the point, but having pastor and bishops signing a 1 page letter in the nyt denouncing christian nationalism isn't enough.

Local churches of all denominations need to band together and protest against the rw attempted takeover of your religion. The majority of believers need to slap down the bigots hard, to generate the headlines.

Religion in the USA is on a demographic slide which only infuriates and invigorates armageddon seekers, so they will become even noisier until they are put back in their minority place. The longer that takes, the worse the public relations situation for moderate churches.

As an aside, I hope your group provides truly secular support to the people you help. There is much religious support for those in need in Texas, that is overly self serving, if you get what I mean.
 
Steam Flyer

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dfw_sailor said:
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Sorry to take so long to get to the point, but having pastor and bishops signing a 1 page letter in the nyt denouncing christian nationalism isn't enough.

Local churches of all denominations need to band together and protest against the rw attempted takeover of your religion. The majority of believers need to slap down the bigots hard, to generate the headlines.
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And VOTE!!
This is how the white-supremacist christian-nationalist fascit asshole brigade has seized such an outsized proportion of power in the USA currently. THEY -always- (always always always) vote 100% for -their- candidates. These votes need to be offset, at least, by a like number of "anti"s.
 
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Fah Kiew Tu

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Steam Flyer said:
And VOTE!!
This is how the white-supremacist christian-nationalist fascit asshole brigade has seized such an outsized proportion of power in the USA currently. THEY -always- (always always always) vote 100% for -their- candidates. These votes need to be offset, at least, by a like number of "anti"s.
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And THIS is why, as I've said many times, they get little traction in Australia. Because EVERYONE votes and the nutcases get pushed to the margins.

We also don't have first past the post takes the prize electorates either so a vote is only wasted if the person doesn't direct second, third etc preferences. I ALWAYS vote preferentially and make sure the nutcase lefties and righties go last on the list.

Some still get elected but never enough to become a problem.

FKT
 
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Just keep people away from the truth, so keep the occupied with bullshit, as most of them are morons any how They can't handle the TRUTH.
If you have a Social Security Card you vote. make it part of tax form,
Taxation without representation is why this country was formed,
But the only thing the assholes in this country know is 2A which they misquote anyhow.
 
El Borracho

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Alan H said:
Must be a coincidence, Ish. Or maybe it's an accident of reporting, 'cause everybody know that every religious leader...every single one with NO exceptions.... all they do is bugger little children and assault women and give out spiked cool-aid.
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Safe assumption. At what low numerical probability of misbehavior does it become reasonable to trust delusional people with ridiculous beliefs and guided by misanthropic myths? I’d suggest zero, or risk a dereliction of parental duty.

The risks are hardly limited to “buggering little children”, BTW.
 
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Episcopalean minister talks about her experience and opinions regarding TFG and getting tear gassed so that he can have a photo op.

www.cbsnews.com

Reverend says she was among peaceful protesters tear-gassed so Trump could "hold a Bible and look Christian"

"I was coughing with tear gas in my clergy collar," Reverend Gini Gerbasi told CBS affiliate WUSA.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

Oh, look. It's a woman.

New York church works to address homelessness issues in the city.

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Housing & Homelessness

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Referring back to earlier in the thread, my point is not that the church is perfect. My point is that there is both good and bad in the Christian church, just like there is in any human institution. To focus on the good, only...is delusional.

To focus on the bad, ONLY and not ever recognize that there's any good whatsoever, is also delusional.
Which is what about 80% of SA posters do.
 
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