Appreciated. I don't have too much experience with the 47 and 49 Mastfoils, especially offshore. Chris would be far better to talk with about this than I. I do believe the main is slightly slower than a traditional main but it works in on the 47 because there are two of them as well as two jibs, so 4 working sails.first of all, congratulation for the astonishing boat, really fantastic from all point of View!
Thank you for your availibility to answer questions, that are many on my side.
Let's start with this:
since few years Chris White is designing boat without mainsail, and he has many arguments to support his choice. At the moment i have no idea of the performance loss of this design compared with traditional mainsail.
Were you condisering a design with MastFoil®, do you have any experience with this rigging and a possibile comparison with the traditional rigging?
I agree too. There are some awful catamarans being built currently that simply cannot sail upwind. Remember that Dashew's boats and Route 66 routinely sail high up in the teens, but many are also 70ft plus boats. Cats are definitely more expensive to build, as in much more expensive. Personally I would take a mono over some of the condomarans, but it would have to be something akin to a Route 66 or Deerfoot. I like in cockpit reefing and so prefer the CW setup over mono's but have no aversion to saying that many monos are simply a better buy and better value than many cats today.I agree with everything you're saying except the price. A new high-end cat is quite a bit more than a similar length/quality mono. (Prove me wrong!). Probably justifiably so, given the build costs. As far as shorthanding, I think either can be designed or setup to be manageable. I need to be flayed and defenestrated for posting this on the multi forum but I've been poisoned by some YouTube vids showing some nice new monos. Sorry...
I really deserve to be punished for this! And Mr. Zit, I don't think I quite understand what you're saying. Could you elaborate?
Aquidneck Custom Composites.Well, this made me curious so I tried, but failed, to find ACC in a simple web search. Appreciate the assist.
43K lbs ... can you guess how much of that is boat vs stores?
Have always been curious about big cats vs big monohulls. A 72 foot mono has a hull speed of about 11.4 kts and doesn't care how much crap you store inside...tortoise and hare, though, since mono won't ever see 25 kts. A big cat has to care how much crap you carry...comment? Granted, accommodations on a big cat are much nicer.
Actually, I was just thinking about passage making. Pretty much straight line over a 24 hour period. Going from here to there.Hanse 50 vs. Atlantic 47 in 5 W/L and 5 triangle courses in winds of 8-16 kts doublehanded? Is the Atlantic using the "funny" sails or a more conventional rig?
That has not been my experience with boats, in general. Every boat I've owned has had "issues" that had to be overcome. None were turnkey, although the F242 came closest, followed by the Hobie Getaway...SeaRail had issues as did the Triak. That being said, "fixing" the issues on all these boats were the most pleasurable experiences in ownership. Sailing them comes in a close second. I guess I'm a tinkerer more than a sailor. I'm definitely from Mars; I wanna fix things more than I wanna talk about them.Ya get what ya pay for
Long time we don't discuss about Chris White news, just today I watched this YouTube video Atlantic 72 and 57
The big cat is just a dream
And i didn't know that after capsize the Atlantic 57 was afloat for 7 months and put on a sale and Chris White placed a bid and got his boat to renew and restore
Would be a good story to hear, maybe you or your brother could start a thread?My brother has a similar story. Chris contacted him to tell him of a Hammerhead 54 that had run up on the rocks and that he could get it for a song. My brother bought the boat. Chris prescribed the fix, my brother did the work and Chris certified it. My brother is one happy camper.
Running/fixed, what's the difference .One thing that is different, Penmanship actually has permanent (not running) backstays to either transom that allows the shrouds to be farther forward and better control of inner and outer forestay tension/sag. With the full carbon build and this rig setup he can maintain less sag and with the hydraulic tensioner on the outer forestay he can make that pick up the rig tension when he’s using the genoa upwind (which isn’t often as the boat builds apparent quickly).
Have you tested the upside up system?Running/fixed, what's the difference .
Typo on my part.
After some rig tuning by Mark Washeim of Onesails, the main and the rig are working very well now.
We don't have a main traveller, which would be nice, but because we have the Upside Up, having a fixed point main was far easier. Also, when cruising, you normally set the main and forget, you're not trimming for the puffs/luffs.
To answer an earlier question, we have mini keels specifically for unintentional groundings and to protect rudders and prop shafts.