Class 30 April 2021 to now

JL92S

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I’m keen to follow the class. It seems the Figaro 3 class is in a small crisis at the moment, the lowest Solitaire entry in forever and lots on the market, people are looking more at the Class 40s and the Class Mini. If the Class 30 gains enough traction it might cannibalise the Figaro 3 class. IRC wise it would really have to be on the money for the UK to adopt it, only 1 guy bought a Figaro 3 in the UK and from what I can tell he only did one race and left his co skipper to skipper the boat all year and even that boat is now in the market

 

JonRowe

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I get the sense that with a target "ready to sail" price tag under 100_000EUR this is aimed at the sort of cross over between Minis and Class40s, that price tag is very similar to what the top end series minis go for, which really only makes sense if you want to do the transat itself, Mini class is very busy at the moment with lots of over subscribed races, so I could see a series of similar boats doing well.

 

Fastrak

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As a "Club Boat" it may gain some traction but can they hit the target price point, and be super competitive under IRC, not a chance. For the One Design aspect to work it needs a fleet. And as an Offshore boat - sure it can go offshore, just like the Minis do, but for mixed handicap offshore racing will it hit Cat 1/2 or Cat A?? The concept is good, but it will only succeed if the Clubs buy into it, to support their younger members for whom even this boat will be too expensive at the proposed ambitious price point. Unfortunately the UK funding model is not the same as in France, where more public funds are available for the Clubs to tap into, and so it will be on the back foot in the UK unless private enterprise comes to the rescue. I doubt many Clubs will dig deep enough to buy a boat or two on top of their other infrastructure financial commitments.

And yes, I am biased being a 3300 owner/race/seller .... but I would really like to see a model evolve to support new blood come into the market (the SF3300, Dehler 30OD, J99, Fig 3 are all price pointed too high for that without direct owner support).

 

Snowden

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It's a thorny problem in the UK for sure. Can't get a big enough fleet to race OD, can't get funding to run competitive IRC boats. For a club it's just too big a step to acquire and maintain offshore-capable yachts rather than keelboats. Even Cowes Week can't get a solvent sponsor... the Artemis funded programme seems like a long time ago. If 2024 was still on maybe there would have been some lottery money.

 

dogwatch

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I'm lost how this has a remote chance of succeeding, particularly in the UK.  You've got a successful Cape 31 and SunFast 3300 situation already well established and growing in the UK.  What could a Class 30 possibly offer that one of those two aren't already providing?  Both with carbon rigs, FWIW.  
Historically, the UK had a strong offshore OD scene, now defunct. Maybe there's an owner-driven appetite to revive that, although the herding cats aspect makes getting owners to act in concert an uphill struggle. I can't see many/any UK clubs willing to spend this much on a club boat. 

 
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Would something like this work?  Main only w/ spin.  Light. Stayed rig.

https://solitairyachts.com/?page_id=380

specs:

https://solitairyachts.com/?page_id=62

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huey 2

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Class 30

Reservations were opened during the Nautic in Paris and to date, one month ago, we have already registered more than 20 confirmed reservations for 4 different countries (US, UK, ESP and FR), 70% in One Design version and 30% in Club version.

The 2nd phase of studies is underway at Multiplast – VPLP and should be completed at the end of March with the finalization of the plans and technical descriptions as well as the validation of the selling prices.

 

sam_crocker

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That's a pretty cool concept, any idea what the retail price is?

I do have to say, from a marketing perspective if you're going to try and sell a race boat, don't show it being outpointed by a boier ;)   Although at least they both have fathead mains.
:lol:  No idea on price.  I’ve been trying to figure what was going on between those two.  As far as I can guess, I think the Solitaire was racing (pre race?), the other boat wasn’t?  The guy on the Solitaire is looking everywhere but where the other boat is, so maybe the boier  ;)  is trying to stay out of the way….

 

Delta Dog

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Original comment was firmly tongue in cheek, but thats still 5-7.5% of the cost, and is a jib and a main at least in terms of sail away price. Plus as much as I love carbon sticks they do need finishing / painting and that does need maintaining over the life of the boat, plus any metal fittings carry a corrosion risk which in my mind is higher than that of an alu rig.
Maintaining a carbon rig is a far bigger expense if you want the whole world to know you have a carbon rig (ie - clearcoating it).

Paint it white and it should not need to be touched for year.  Adds a couple oz's for sure but eliminate the need to pull the rig every couple years to have it clear coated again.

 

vikram

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As a "Club Boat" it may gain some traction but can they hit the target price point, and be super competitive under IRC, not a chance. For the One Design aspect to work it needs a fleet. And as an Offshore boat - sure it can go offshore, just like the Minis do, but for mixed handicap offshore racing will it hit Cat 1/2 or Cat A?? The concept is good, but it will only succeed if the Clubs buy into it, to support their younger members for whom even this boat will be too expensive at the proposed ambitious price point. Unfortunately the UK funding model is not the same as in France, where more public funds are available for the Clubs to tap into, and so it will be on the back foot in the UK unless private enterprise comes to the rescue. I doubt many Clubs will dig deep enough to buy a boat or two on top of their other infrastructure financial commitments.

And yes, I am biased being a 3300 owner/race/seller .... but I would really like to see a model evolve to support new blood come into the market (the SF3300, Dehler 30OD, J99, Fig 3 are all price pointed too high for that without direct owner support).
i love the 3300 but $$$ - i lust after a mini scow but know I'm too old for my back to handle moving ballast around hunched over. i'd buy a pogo 8.50 light  landed in the us for 100k. Today.

similar unfinished interior as a mini but 5'11" draft and headroom at the single burner tea maker - place to lie down- aluminum rig, deck mounted sprit - old guy mini. Not like you'd be canabalizing the vibrant mini scene here....or any other scene for that matter.

 

huey 2

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VPLP Statement...

Pre-orders for the new Class 30 are now open. Two versions are available: One Design and Club. The latter is designed as a training tool for sailors wishing to learn about and compete on the offshore racing circuit

 

huey 2

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huey 2

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Class 30: the promising UNCL one-design​


Paul Gury 06/30/22
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Heading for the Spi Ouest 2023
The Class30, this sailboat imagined and designed on the initiative of the UNCL , the RORC and the Storm Trysail Club in the USA to serve as a support for the initiation as well as the practice of offshore racing, should take its first tacks from by the end of 2022. With the submission of the final draft by VPLP and Multiplast (since acquired by HBH), orders are now open. The twenty-five confirmed reservations will receive a sales contract proposal at the beginning of May.


Class 30: A sailboat of the future​

The first Class 30s made in France will be delivered at the end of the year and the production rate will then be one boat per week from January 2023. In the sights of the UNCL: participation of the first one-designs in the Spi Ouest- France 2023. The base price of the Club version without sails will be €94,500 excl. VAT, while the One Design version without sails will rise to €132,500 (with options).
Heading for the Spi Ouest 2023
Let's go for the Class30 which will soon go into production.
On the program side, thirteen events should be held in the Channel and the Atlantic and ten in the Mediterranean, between April 7 and the end of October 2023, with regattas for the Class30 Club and One Design one-design races in the main 2023 races, including the RORC. . From July 14 to 20, the plans for the “Demo Class 30 Tour”, a five-day race open to crews departing from Lorient, as well as the four-day “Class30 Grand Final” scheduled for doubles and crews in Lorient or La Trinité are on the table.
 

huey 2

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► What about the Class30 project, the 30-foot one-design designed under the initiative of the UNCL and the RORC, to a VPLP plan?
In fact, we now say “Carboman 30”, because the name Class 30 was registered by Class40. The production of the moulds begins next Monday at Ouest Composites Industries. The industrial assembly site for the production of the boats has not yet been agreed. We have about twenty firm orders. From next spring, we will be releasing one Carboman 30 per week. The challenge is to succeed in building these boats on time, while respecting the costs and the quality required. It is a beautiful series production project.
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Yann Penfornis: “Now, the third chapter in the history of Multiplast”​

Managed for 28 years by Gilles Ollier then for 13 by Dominique Dubois, legendary French boatbuilders and multi discipline composites specialists Multiplast has just recently changed hands. On Tuesday the takeover of the Carboman group to which the Vannes shipyard belongs was completed by HBH group which is headed by Damien Harlé and Jean-Denis Bargibant. Yann Penfornis, who remains managing director, explains the implications of this takeover.
► Can you tell us about the terms of the takeover of the Carboman group?
Well it all started two years ago when Dominique Dubois, the president of the Carboman group, decided to participate in the Ocean Globe Race in 2023. He then prepared his own departure and spoke to employees about the sale of the company. At the beginning of December 2021, he was in contact with Damien Harlé and Jean-Denis Bargibant, the leaders of the HBH group, which has two production sites, including Ouest Composites Industries, based in Auray. The initial discussions went well and we entered into almost exclusive discussions at the beginning of 2022. Even before the formalization of the takeover, as potential buyers they were involved in our decisions on long-term projects. And they were at our premises two or three times a week. The sale was finally signed on Tuesday. The transition is done in excellent conditions, there is no break in decisions, no loss of time.
► So you will still be the Managing Director of Multiplast?
Indeed. Here we are approaching the third chapter in the history of Multiplast, a beautiful new chapter with two good managers younger than me, their plan is for the three of us to work closely together. From our first meeting, Damien Harlé and Jean-Denis Bargibant wanted to make sure that I stayed in the frame. I said yes, provided I could continue to come to the office every morning at 6:30 a.m. wearing a smile. The new buyers are the type of guys I like, there is no reason for it to go wrong. It’s important to have their trust. My responsibilities remain the same. I had already been a shareholder for about ten years, my holdings go back just from Multiplast to the group level.
 




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