Clipper Round the World 13-14

https://www.clipperroundtheworld.com/

I'm surprised this hasn't seen more (any?) front page coverage. I guess the AC debacle is more entertaining. I hadn't heard of the Clipper race before, but it looks like a very exciting life goal. I watched the start on YouTube and the founder seems to approach it very much like climbing Mount Everest or some other great adventure. It's a way for "average" people (with enough $$$) to do something very few will get to.

Is there a virtual race like there is for the VOR? A game online where you can skipper your own virtual boat?

- Jasen.

 

winchfodder

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maybe no coverage because it is hardly a race but a commercial conceit.

Rather than let the crews face the real racing challenge of the Alderney Race and the Chenal du Four in light winds they are stopping the first leg midstream and making the crews motor to Brest so that they can keep the sponsors and the port stoppover who paid for the privilege.

 

Livia

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Last time they motored across the top of the Philippines with gunboat escort due to pirate threat.

but it is about making sponsor ports on time for max sponsor exposure.

That is why Clipper gets sponsors coming back year after year.

Qingdoa has signed on for the last two and signed for another 3 to come.

Don't see too many Volvo sponsors doing that!!!

In fact has any Volvo sponsor ever backed up?

 

Potter

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maybe no coverage because it is hardly a race but a commercial conceit.

Rather than let the crews face the real racing challenge of the Alderney Race and the Chenal du Four in light winds they are stopping the first leg midstream and making the crews motor to Brest so that they can keep the sponsors and the port stoppover who paid for the privilege.
Not exactly true, and you probably know it. The fleet had already been through the Alderney Race.

The issue was not that it was difficult, christ there was nothing 'hard' about the conditions they were in, but that they had little or no breeze for sailing, therefore the course was shortened. Yes, there is a certain amount of having to meet timetables, but put it into perspective. The cost of running boats competitive enough to be fast in really light airs would be prohibitive, and therefore an amateur RTW would not exist.

Our sport has an inherent problem. With too much wind we cancel inshore racing, with too little wind then boats cannot sail.

Whatever you think of Clipper, it's pay to play business, training model etc., there is no doubt in my mind that they will introduce more long time sailors to the sport than the AC will. If not for Clipper there would be no ATRacing, no Team Origin (okay, maybe not the best example). In the same way Mike Golding got his sponsorship break due to Global Challenge. We are lucky enough to be in a sport that has a wonderful spectrum. If everything was like Clipper it would be terrible, but if everything was like the AC (or another more successful but totally professional area of the sport (TPs, ESS, Mini Maxis)) it would also be terrible. Adventure is an inherent part of sailing that allows it to cross from pasttime to sport.

Before the end of this race the crew will have been through tougher conditions than many people on this site will ever see. So to imply that they ended this leg early because it was too tough is frankly bollocks.

 

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maybe no coverage because it is hardly a race but a commercial conceit.

Rather than let the crews face the real racing challenge of the Alderney Race and the Chenal du Four in light winds they are stopping the first leg midstream and making the crews motor to Brest so that they can keep the sponsors and the port stoppover who paid for the privilege.
Not exactly true, and you probably know it. The fleet had already been through the Alderney Race.

The issue was not that it was difficult, christ there was nothing 'hard' about the conditions they were in, but that they had little or no breeze for sailing, therefore the course was shortened. Yes, there is a certain amount of having to meet timetables, but put it into perspective. The cost of running boats competitive enough to be fast in really light airs would be prohibitive, and therefore an amateur RTW would not exist.

Our sport has an inherent problem. With too much wind we cancel inshore racing, with too little wind then boats cannot sail.

Whatever you think of Clipper, it's pay to play business, training model etc., there is no doubt in my mind that they will introduce more long time sailors to the sport than the AC will. If not for Clipper there would be no ATRacing, no Team Origin (okay, maybe not the best example). In the same way Mike Golding got his sponsorship break due to Global Challenge. We are lucky enough to be in a sport that has a wonderful spectrum. If everything was like Clipper it would be terrible, but if everything was like the AC (or another more successful but totally professional area of the sport (TPs, ESS, Mini Maxis)) it would also be terrible. Adventure is an inherent part of sailing that allows it to cross from pasttime to sport.

Before the end of this race the crew will have been through tougher conditions than many people on this site will ever see. So to imply that they ended this leg early because it was too tough is frankly bollocks.
Well put. We've had a number of former clipper crew turning up on the crew boards for various races. Quite a few of them had never sailed before the race and are now life long racers because of it.

However that 2 boats got penalised for TSS violations off Dover is frankly absurd. They were obstructions in the SIs and they have pro skippers!

 

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Whatever you think of Clipper, it's pay to play business, training model etc., there is no doubt in my mind that they will introduce more long time sailors to the sport than the AC will. I
I was about to make a post making fun of Clipper for calling off the first leg (rather than arrive in port 24 hours late), but then I saw the picture of the Clipper crews on the first page of the Clipper website. It is extremely impressive to see 250+ novice sailors, suited up in foulies, ready to head offshore. The race is extremely good for the sport, even if it is not exactly my cup of tea.

 

Potter

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However that 2 boats got penalised for TSS violations off Dover is frankly absurd. They were obstructions in the SIs and they have pro skippers!
I have to agree with you on that one. Marc Guillemot and Grant Dalton have both been caught by them before, but that they were in the SIs does make it worse.

 

DtM

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Potter, as usual a thoughtful post that captures the essence.

Clipper is not everyone's cup of tea but it is part of the spectrum and those who participate will have done something many of us only dream/think about.

Go the Clipper crews.

 

Icedtea

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Last time they motored across the top of the Philippines with gunboat escort due to pirate threat.

but it is about making sponsor ports on time for max sponsor exposure.

That is why Clipper gets sponsors coming back year after year.

Qingdoa has signed on for the last two and signed for another 3 to come.

Don't see too many Volvo sponsors doing that!!!

In fact has any Volvo sponsor ever backed up?

Abu Dhabi are coming back for the next race, Telefonica did two..... a fair few Volvo sponsors come back

 

MR.CLEAN

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https://www.clipperroundtheworld.com/newsitem/race-2-day-4-clipper-70-already-setting-record-breaking-speeds

"The fleet have faced strong winds and challenging conditions in the last 24 hours, and with team OneDLLreportedly experiencing wind speeds in excess of 44 knots, there’s no surprise that Henri Lloyd has set a new Clipper 70 speed record reaching over 30 knots yesterday."

Sounds worth FP coverage to me.
Exactly why we don't run that shit...

I was watching them sail around at 9-11 knots in 20-30 yesterday for hours. Love to see the 30-knot data.

 

Alhadder

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Very much looking forward to welcoming the Clipper yachts into the port of Albany on the South Coast of Western Australia in late November.

Just out of interest - is anyone playing the Virtual Regatta game and are there any Polars for the new boat? Haven't been able to find any yet and my brain requires too much rewiring to access the math I learnt over 25 years ago to work them out!!

 

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Just out of interest - is anyone playing the Virtual Regatta game and are there any Polars for the new boat? Haven't been able to find any yet and my brain requires too much rewiring to access the math I learnt over 25 years ago to work them out!!
I don't think even the skippers have polars for these new boats. Some boats (I am looking at you Garmin) have been VMG running at 135 degrees TWA, other boats (Old Pulteney) have been sailing very deep, perhaps 165 TWA. The boats in the front of the pack are running closer to 150 TWA. This has been in 18-22 knots winds speed.

Garmin is pretty clearly running hotter than she should for these conditions, sailing faster than the fleet but losing miles with every update.

 

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