Club Swan 80 (From the FP)

[bgytr]

i'm curious , how do you weigh a 50' boat with rigging?

Displacement measurements work if you have  the hull offsets.  Very accurate if done right.

 

[Ishmael]

200kg seems pretty reasonable to me

Just pretend *********** is on board.

 

[Alberta]

200kg, 440lb, doesn't seem like much outta 18000lb displacement.  Why don't they just add corrector weights to the light boats for one design races? Hell just add 50 gallons in the water tanks.

Those fixed bowsprits are stupid.  For almost the same weight, you could just bring the rest of the boat out to the extent of the sprit and have 5 more feet of waterline.  Plus eliminate a highly stressed structural connection.  But that's fashion for ya.

Then stick a 2 meter stick off the front to go faster downwind. 
 

More hull is a lot more expensive than a sprit. 

 

[Gouvernail]

What is FP?

 

[bgytr]

Then stick a 2 meter stick off the front to go faster downwind. 
 

More hull is a lot more expensive than a sprit. 

No it isn't.  one part. one mold.  One manufacturing process, much less man hours in engineering and assembly.

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

No it isn't.  one part. one mold.  One manufacturing process, much less man hours in engineering and assembly.

The ClubSwan 80 is a retractable sprit- https://www.nautorswan.com/news/2020/09/clubswan-80-born-to-change-the-maxi-yachts-world/

"Retractable Carbon Sprit".

There certainly is a bit of engineering and man hours in implementing a bowsprit, but I would think that based on the size of these sprits (10+ feet) that adding the equivalent length of hull wouldn't be an attractive proposal at all. Nobody in this market is looking for a bargain on engineering or man hours (or they wouldn't be buying a new 80 foot racer-cruiser) and in any case, the added wetted surface caused by adding 10 feet to the bow would then drive a bigger rig, bigger sails, and...a bowsprit for the downwind sails. 

The point you make about added complexity, man hours, etc is perfectly valid. It just likely is never going to be an issue for racing boats run on this sort of budget. I can see it being a factor in smaller cruising boats, where a fixed price point is important to development  and build costs. I don't think anyone has ever bought a brand new Swan because they were looking to save money on costs. 

 

[TwoLegged]

I don't think anyone has ever bought a brand new Swan because they were looking to save money on costs. 

Hmm.  A brand new Swan is probably a few pennies more than yer FT10 or J/70 or Melges.

But I doubt the FT10 or J/70 or Melges ever appeared on the same shopping list as a Swan.  The choice was probably Swan or custom boat, and the Swan will work out a lot cheaper, especially come resale time. 

 

[bgytr]

The ClubSwan 80 is a retractable sprit- https://www.nautorswan.com/news/2020/09/clubswan-80-born-to-change-the-maxi-yachts-world/

"Retractable Carbon Sprit".

There certainly is a bit of engineering and man hours in implementing a bowsprit, but I would think that based on the size of these sprits (10+ feet) that adding the equivalent length of hull wouldn't be an attractive proposal at all. Nobody in this market is looking for a bargain on engineering or man hours (or they wouldn't be buying a new 80 foot racer-cruiser) and in any case, the added wetted surface caused by adding 10 feet to the bow would then drive a bigger rig, bigger sails, and...a bowsprit for the downwind sails. 

The point you make about added complexity, man hours, etc is perfectly valid. It just likely is never going to be an issue for racing boats run on this sort of budget. I can see it being a factor in smaller cruising boats, where a fixed price point is important to development  and build costs. I don't think anyone has ever bought a brand new Swan because they were looking to save money on costs. 

Ah ya my mistake, it is retracting pole.  

 

[Will1073]

What is FP?

Don't go there...

 

[Ishmael]

What is FP?

Face paper. It's like toilet paper, but for the other end.

 

[TwoLegged]

What is FP?

It's a mythological place of doom, whose existence is disputed by logical positivists.

Kinda like purgatory, but with snakepits and fire torture ... and shameless plug for advertisers.

 

[Gouvernail]

Logical prostitutes?? 

 

[Chimp too]

i'm curious , how do you weigh a 50' boat with rigging?

Not in a travel lift as monkey suggests. You use a crane, some spreader bars and a tension load cell. Easy. Here is a photo of a Wally 80 as example. Done it on many boats up to 100 feet and 50,000kg.

 

[shanghaisailor]

It's a mythological place of doom, whose existence is disputed by logical positivists.

Kinda like purgatory, but with snakepits and fire torture ... and shameless plug for advertisers.

It's funny how some people slag off something that enables them to join threads for free

 

[TwoLegged]

It's funny how some people slag off something that enables them to join threads for free

If you are writing cheques to post in any SA threads,  I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[shanghaisailor]

If you are writing cheques to post in any SA threads,  I have a bridge to sell you.

WTF?

 

[daan62]

80 ft one-design....

it has been tried before with limited succes

Grand Mistral 80

Pierre Fehlmann

 

[NZK]

It's out sailing. And it has a fucking gas cooker...

 

[jackolantern]

I like it, a lot. Good looking boat.

 

[Schnappi]

WTF

 

[Al Paca]

Such a cozy and inviting interior.