COP27 climate summit

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Just trying to make your stupidity official?

Think about it this way. You asked dog if the graph was "zero" implying that the data point would be "zero" if temperature were staying the same. That would be true if it were a graph of "rate of change" of temperature. But this is a graph of the actual temperature anomaly. So, if it stays the same anywhere from year to year, then it is not changing. So, if the temperature plotted at "0.8" for ten years in a row, that would mean there was ZERO rate of change.

You really aren't this stupid, are you?

as if these trending changes are going graph in a linear manner, right fuckwit?

 

[Steam Flyer]

This is terrifying in so many ways. I have not a clue how I will ever explain to my children, much less my grandchildren...

Correct in so many ways. You do not have a clue.

And your children/grandchildren... if any, doubtful... will not expect you to explain shit to them. By the time they're asking questions about the world around them, they will have long ago realized that you're a mean-spirited idiot.

 

[jzk]

Because the effects of that one degree already costs 500 billion a year for the USA alone. That is $1300 per year per citizen. This number can easily be quadrupled or even worse over the next few decennia.

Make a case for that if you can.

 

[jzk]

* which he didn't understand any better than JZK

Were you ever able to figure out that graph and why it doesn't need to be at "zero" for temperature not to be increasing?

 

[Steam Flyer]

Because the effects of that one degree already costs 500 billion a year for the USA alone. That is $1300 per year per citizen. This number can easily be quadrupled or even worse over the next few decennia.

Make a case for that if you can.

One that -you- can understand?

 

[Goodvibes]

Make a case for that if you can.

I got some bad news for you JerkZ.

No one needs to 'make a case' here. The bleatings on this forum are totally irrelevant to the world except for one thing.

Your continued anti-science Pro-Oil postings are proof that ;

1. You are a lying shill cunt who prostitutes yourself for a few pennies.
2. The fossil fuel corporations funding lies, are still funding lies while saying the opposite.

There are worse thngs than lying to your mates, it is lying to yourself.

Have you heard of Karma?

You are one of those people who outwardly to others appears to have it all sorted, business funding boat etc etc. Then one day, they are talking and one says to the other "Hey, did you hear what happened to JerkZ???!!!!" "He went cunt up, just like that!" "NOOOooooo, really?"

 

[Not for nothing]

GRAPHS,
A bunch of lines on a paper or computer. That can be changed to say what ever you want,
Just by changing the scale, what or where it's taken. also changing the timeline, from days weeks years decades centuries.
so believe them or not. as always do your homework, and like I do play the devil's advocate.

 

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GRAPHS,
A bunch of lines on a paper or computer. That can be changed to say what ever you want,
Just by changing the scale, what or where it's taken. also changing the timeline, from days weeks years decades centuries.
so believe them or not. as always do your homework, and like I do play the devil's advocate.

yup, 'data' is too often not what it appears to be.
like most things in life, you need to weed out the shit from the legit.

 

[Bagheera]

yup, 'data' is too often not what it appears to be.
like most things in life, you need to weed out the shit from the legit.

But I'm afraid the nut jobs might actually be right. Look, I 'found' a graph that shows that it actually became a degree colder and they even didn't need a sharpy to alter this graph!

 

[billsreef]

But I'm afraid the nut jobs might actually be right. Look, I 'found' a graph that shows that it actually became a degree colder and they even didn't need a sharpy to alter this graph!
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Amazing what cherry picking data can do...

 

[Bagheera]

And irrelevant data at that. The problem is not in the lower atmosphere...
I even once saw a graph as evidence against global warming that represented the temperatures of the last 10 years in some town nobody ever heard of in the country side of Kansas. Well, they got me there, that truly was watertight evidence that it is all a hoax!

 

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But I'm afraid the nut jobs might actually be right. Look, I 'found' a graph that shows that it actually became a degree colder and they even didn't need a sharpy to alter this graph!
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they're only 'right' if they avoid context at all costs.
'deplorable'.

 

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And irrelevant data at that. The problem is not in the lower atmosphere...
I even once saw a graph as evidence against global warming that represented the temperatures of the last 10 years in some town nobody ever heard of in the country side of Kansas. Well, they got me there, that truly was watertight evidence that it is all a hoax!

and it's the oceans that are absorbing about 90 percent of all the excess ambient heat. that creates a false sense of security and breeds ambivalence.

 

[giegs]

Some more on economic impacts of warming. You can also look at how USFS budget allocations and overruns have changed in the western regions. Rapid changes to forest composition presents a significant hazard to "human flourishing". Similar analysis can be done with lyme disease (and other tick-borne illnesses, lyme is just easiest) and warming trends limiting die-off in disease reservoirs.

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In assessing the influence of temperature on western pine beetles, we found that contemporary warming increased the development rate of the western pine beetle and decreased the overwinter mortality rate of western pine beetle larvae leading to increased population growth during periods of lowered tree defense. We attribute a 29.9% (95% CI: 29.4%–30.2%) increase in ponderosa pine mortality during drought directly to increases in western pine beetle voltinism (i.e., associated with increased development rates of western pine beetle) and, to a much lesser extent, reductions in overwintering mortality. These findings, along with other studies, suggest each degree (°C) increase in temperature may have increased the number of ponderosa pine killed by upwards of 35%–40% °C−1 if the effects of compromised tree defenses (15%–20%) and increased western pine beetle populations (20%) are additive. Due to the warming ability to considerably increase mortality through the mechanism of bark beetle populations, models need to consider climate's influence on both host tree stress and the bark beetle population dynamics when determining future levels of tree mortality.

Economics and Politics of Bark Beetles

Large bark beetle outbreaks are regarded as major forest disturbances, ranking first in the USA before hurricanes, tornadoes, and fire, with a 20,400,…

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Large bark beetle outbreaks are regarded as major forest disturbances, ranking first in the USA before hurricanes, tornadoes, and fire, with a 20,400,000 ha average annual impact area and annual average costs (shared with pathogens) above US$2 billion per year. In Europe, over the period 1950–2000, insect damage (which equates mostly to bark beetles) ranked third, with 8% of the total damage due to forest disturbances.

 

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Some more on economic impacts of warming. You can also look at how USFS budget allocations and overruns have changed in the western regions. Rapid changes to forest composition presents a significant hazard to "human flourishing". Similar analysis can be done with lyme disease (and other tick-borne illnesses, lyme is just easiest) and warming trends limiting die-off in disease reservoirs.

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Economics and Politics of Bark Beetles

Large bark beetle outbreaks are regarded as major forest disturbances, ranking first in the USA before hurricanes, tornadoes, and fire, with a 20,400,…

www.sciencedirect.com

reduced system resiliency is one symptom of system breakdown/collapse.

 

[Stingray~]

That Chinese balloon, I hope it wasn't in on the big climate change research conspiracy?

 

[Dog 2.0]

And irrelevant data at that. The problem is not in the lower atmosphere...
I even once saw a graph as evidence against global warming that represented the temperatures of the last 10 years in some town nobody ever heard of in the country side of Kansas. Well, they got me there, that truly was watertight evidence that it is all a hoax!

The problem is not in the lower troposphere? ... Really, where is the problem then?

 

[Bagheera]

and it's the oceans that are absorbing about 90 percent of all the excess ambient heat. that creates a false sense of security and breeds ambivalence.

Exactly, that is why I keep saying that it is useless to look at temperature graphs of the lower atmosphere.

 

[Bagheera]

The problem is not in the lower troposphere? ... Really, where is the problem then?

There is a cause and there are symptoms. Temperature is a symptom and since most of the energy is absorbed by the ocean and not in the air above it, that is where you need to look for the temperature changes, not in the air.
The cause is in the atmosphere, but that is not where you see the symptoms.
A broken spine can leave your legs paralyzed, the symptoms are in the legs but the cause is in the spine.

 

[BeSafe]

As an FYI, here's some of the mechanisms with how the greenhouse effect works.. yea, it's complicated. And yea, I think watching species migrations are a pretty important indicator. Humans adapt, many species can't.