Corsair/Farrier Anarchy
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prskier17
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Here's a similar pic of mine.... but pretty much the exact opposite with a dreary morning!
illan_voyager
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Overpriced and it has been for sale for probably a couple of years now. 5-9k would move it.
illan_voyager
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Personal opinion only, I believe well built foam core perhaps a little heavy for the length, but Tramp Eagle Haines Hunter prices in the (now distant) past seemed to be a little less than this. Sure for an 80s original they held ~ $10k remarkably well, and this boat might sell for asking price from the right broker or with fancy new sails. But in fact hasn't sold aprox 2 years means that however nice the folding system, (most) folks aren't quite willing to pay that for a 20ft daysailer. Additionally, honda 5hp is a lemon (comparatively speaking).
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Haines Hunter Tramp is solid fiberglass, no core. Very heavy. I believe the Pyramid Eagle is the same. There was a later Tramp redesign, made by OSTAC, that was foam core, with a small cabin and a daggerboard instead of a centerboard. It is a much better boat, but there are only one or two in the US. I believe the original Tramp was around 1200 lbs, and the later was 850.
eastern motors
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How much does a survey for an F27/28 usually cost? Would you consider buying one without a survey from a reputable broker? Would you buy an F27/28 without seeing it if you had a survey?
What would be a good plan for transport 1000-2000 miles? I'm thinking about flying and renting some type of tow vehicle. Put insurance on the boat first?
What would be a good plan for transport 1000-2000 miles? I'm thinking about flying and renting some type of tow vehicle. Put insurance on the boat first?
eastern motors
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Also, what are people paying for insurance for a F27 ($35k) or F28 ($60k)?
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My opin: The one I had done, out of the country, was a complete waste of money. It was almost like he surveyed a different boat.
Any excuse for a roadtrip and why rent when you can own. Fire up your Tin Lizzy and go! See it first hand. If the boat sucks, be willing to go home empty handed (reminds me of my ill-fated Farrier attempt).
If you snatch it up, insure before you start dragging it home. I almost wadded up within the first 30 minutes after hitting the road (just putting along in the slow lane on the interstate. Car comes over into my lane and abruotly stops, as she can't to merge into the backed up off ramp.).
Any excuse for a roadtrip and why rent when you can own. Fire up your Tin Lizzy and go! See it first hand. If the boat sucks, be willing to go home empty handed (reminds me of my ill-fated Farrier attempt).
If you snatch it up, insure before you start dragging it home. I almost wadded up within the first 30 minutes after hitting the road (just putting along in the slow lane on the interstate. Car comes over into my lane and abruotly stops, as she can't to merge into the backed up off ramp.).
randii
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Trailer comment: not F-boat specific.
Before you hit the road with an unfamiliar trailer, check it over REALLY well. Few folks take good care of their trailers, especially if they only use them at the beginning/end of the season.
Crawl under/over/around to check the trailer, especially if it has been used in the ocean. Rust rot can be a real problem for frame members and hardware.
Check the date codes on their tires and inspect them thoroughly for damage. Replace if there's any uncertainty. Have a spare and the means to change it; buy new if necessary.
Spend the time (or pay a trailer mechanic) to service/check the bearings and brakes. Good brakes enhance safety in all situations, especially in side winds or sway situations, or pulling a little heavy for your tow vehicle.
Check your trailer lights. Maybe just plan on replacing entirely if not 100%. Troubleshooting shaky trailer lights is a pain in the behind.
Generally, start from a point of KNOWING... don't just hope for the best. You'll be able to drive more confidently -- and that enhances safety for all, but especially for your new boat.
Before you hit the road with an unfamiliar trailer, check it over REALLY well. Few folks take good care of their trailers, especially if they only use them at the beginning/end of the season.
Crawl under/over/around to check the trailer, especially if it has been used in the ocean. Rust rot can be a real problem for frame members and hardware.
Check the date codes on their tires and inspect them thoroughly for damage. Replace if there's any uncertainty. Have a spare and the means to change it; buy new if necessary.
Spend the time (or pay a trailer mechanic) to service/check the bearings and brakes. Good brakes enhance safety in all situations, especially in side winds or sway situations, or pulling a little heavy for your tow vehicle.
Check your trailer lights. Maybe just plan on replacing entirely if not 100%. Troubleshooting shaky trailer lights is a pain in the behind.
Generally, start from a point of KNOWING... don't just hope for the best. You'll be able to drive more confidently -- and that enhances safety for all, but especially for your new boat.
SailingTips.Ca
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We paid about $650 CAD to survey our F-82R, which is about the same size as an F-27.
UHaul is the only one-way rental company that allows towing that I've been able to find. A 10' truck should be sufficient for towing any F-boat.
Definitely insure before transport if possible!
We pay about $750 CAD for our F-82R which was valued by the surveyor to be similar to your F-27 figure.
Yes you need to take the survey results with a grain of salt, and be prepared to do your own survey when you see the boat in person, ideally before you buy it.
That said, every insurance company I've ever dealt with also requires a "professional" marine survey, so you will probably need to bite the bullet and get that anyways, even if you do the "real" survey yourself.
I'd always get a survey on a purchase over ~10K (car or boat). Small price for a reasonably better peace of mind.
My experience:
Corsair F31, Florida, on the trailer survey in 2014 ~$500, by a "known Fboat surveyor". It was pretty useless to me: He spent just an hour or two before the appointed time so he was "all done" when I got there. He missed significant wallowing of the forestay chainplate clevis pin hole. Perhaps if he found a problem with water in the core or something unseeable I'd be more impressed but the boat was in pretty good condition as is, ("nothing to see here"), which is a testament to Ian Farrier, Corsair and the previous owner, not necessarily the surveyor.
2022 La Paz Mexico 36' pro designed, home built catamaran. Surveyed by a well regarded local expat. $~780 plus haul out cost. Took several hours with me on the boat, he was a fountain of info and insight. I have nothing but the highest regard for this surveyor, though I've only had these two survey experiences.
Allstate insured my older Corsair F31 with just a 5 minute phone call to my agent. No survey required. ~$700/year for the original ~60K purchase price, (trailer is insured separately). I have been with this agent 45 years and insure my small boats, home and cars, with only a couple minor claims (<$5000), years ago, during this time. They have made a ton of money on me but I appreciate the good service they've always given.
Be aware of Boat US insurance's depreciating schedule. IIRC you will have no insurance after 20 years boat age and very little before that. Maybe they've changed now
My experience:
Corsair F31, Florida, on the trailer survey in 2014 ~$500, by a "known Fboat surveyor". It was pretty useless to me: He spent just an hour or two before the appointed time so he was "all done" when I got there. He missed significant wallowing of the forestay chainplate clevis pin hole. Perhaps if he found a problem with water in the core or something unseeable I'd be more impressed but the boat was in pretty good condition as is, ("nothing to see here"), which is a testament to Ian Farrier, Corsair and the previous owner, not necessarily the surveyor.
2022 La Paz Mexico 36' pro designed, home built catamaran. Surveyed by a well regarded local expat. $~780 plus haul out cost. Took several hours with me on the boat, he was a fountain of info and insight. I have nothing but the highest regard for this surveyor, though I've only had these two survey experiences.
Allstate insured my older Corsair F31 with just a 5 minute phone call to my agent. No survey required. ~$700/year for the original ~60K purchase price, (trailer is insured separately). I have been with this agent 45 years and insure my small boats, home and cars, with only a couple minor claims (<$5000), years ago, during this time. They have made a ton of money on me but I appreciate the good service they've always given.
Be aware of Boat US insurance's depreciating schedule. IIRC you will have no insurance after 20 years boat age and very little before that. Maybe they've changed now
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"That said, every insurance company I've ever dealt with also requires a "professional" marine survey, so you will probably need to bite the bullet and get that anyways, even if you do the "real" survey yourself. "
EM is in Michigan. My guess is he plans on freshwater sailing and will likely get insurance for that purpose. I've never needed a survey for insurance purposes, including for my present boat (and I get to sail 100 miles offshore US/Canada, and most of the Bahamas, with my current policy).
EM is in Michigan. My guess is he plans on freshwater sailing and will likely get insurance for that purpose. I've never needed a survey for insurance purposes, including for my present boat (and I get to sail 100 miles offshore US/Canada, and most of the Bahamas, with my current policy).
El Borracho
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Never had a survey. Declared value policy. Progressive. Cheap. Only purpose is for marina liability requirement. Effectively does not protect my boat.
J_Grove
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BoatUS/Geico and Progressive both want north of $2000 for insuring my F27 with an agreed value of just 28K. I am in Miami so hurricane country which has something to do with it. Considering dropping everything but the required liability for marina dry storage.
SailingTips.Ca
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Fascinating that people have been able to get insurance without a survey!!!
Must be quite a bit of local variation!
Must be quite a bit of local variation!
Sailabout
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Out here in asia its a bit aged based then they look for a survey in the last 5 years after the first 5.
SailingTips.Ca
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Around here (Canada) they seem to want a survey every five years once the boat is 10 years old.
They say it's because they want to ensure the boat approximately matches the insured value, so you don't buy a piece of junk, wreck it (more) and collect the insurance.
