Made locally or internationally?Fuck that, I've ordered & received 2 sails Feb 2020 through today.
We waited long enough for this to be anything other than fraud. I got a set of sails during Covid. I also know the sailmaker so I have a high level of trust. Brian Hancock had made his own bed and that you think that this peanut gallery is being judge and jury is “kind of” funny. We’re just reacting to a crazy story of theft and fraud by a guy in the industry. You don’t have to be the SJW for Onesails either.Let's just wait for a better explanation for a long-running and arguably well-regarded business going bust than "he's a fraudster".
He screwed multiple people by the posts on many sites. He went dark. He is a fraud.Made locally or internationally?
For sure the lack of communication is concerning.
I'm just pointing out that the pitchforks may be presumptuous. Unless someone has news to the contrary the guy could be lying in a hospital bed, with no extra help choking required.
NCIK, if wearre youre monney, woude you be so patiente and forgiveng? S4B hasse showen patients and udderstandeng, plesae tellus howe/when you you haive done the saime. Ime am open to annythinge you maye offere.
I have been defrauded thousands of dollars by an employer, years prior to covid. It was frustrating but I let the administration of the business progress and still ended up with nothing. I certainly didn't suggest "choking" my ex-boss, as was mentioned in this thread.NCIK, if wearre youre monney, woude you be so patiente and forgiveng? S4B hasse showen patients and udderstandeng, plesae tellus howe/when you you haive done the saime. Ime am open to annythinge you maye offere.
OK, I appreciatte youre losse and patiente approache, and Ime am siurre youre debtores do to, butte why go aftere S4B whoise reactione ist moeste normalle?I have been defrauded thousands of dollars by an employer, years prior to covid. It was frustrating but I let the administration of the business progress and still ended up with nothing. I certainly didn't suggest "choking" my ex-boss, as was mentioned in this thread.
I'm holding off on buying anything major until the pandemic is settled down a bit, sails included, although I'm only a dinghy sailor so not a major purchase. I fully understand teh frustration, particularly if you ordered in October 2019 before the pandemic. It's a fine line between fraud and failed business, there's no manual for how to end a failing business.
A cross-over from another case of sails not being delivered...Still, I'd be interested to know if anyone knows any scuttlebutt about Jan Reuvers / Dynasails.
Yes.Always deal with someone you know or someone who someone you know can vouch for.
It is a tangled web indeed. I believe that after Jan Reuvers and Quantum severed ties, Jan continued operations in the same physical loft. Quantum sued him and Ullman for using their methods. Ullman was dropped from the suit. Quantum initially lost the first decision but a later decision against Jan was for millions. The same contract loft was being used by Ullman sails. Craig Millar at one time worked for Quantum and then was the International President of Ullman sails. Jan and Craig had some falling out over an issue of which I am not privy to. Ullman maintained a relationship with Jan. Craig went on his own. Sounds like Brian was using multiple contract lofts. Sorry that Jan would not honor the deal. Craig did.For those of you saying "buy from a local reputable loft" Brian Hancock WAS a local reputable loft. Great Circle Sails is run out of his house in Marblehead, local to lots of sailors (this isn't doxing, it's public info). There were plenty of good reviews and testimonials.
Anyway, as I said in the other thread, in one of his very last communications before disappearing Brian told me that Jan Reuvers (not Craig Millar) actually manufactured my sail. He said the sail was finished but Jan was unreachable. I emailed Jan and received one reply confirming it was the right person, then nothing when I mentioned Brian and the missing sail. So the problem may well be with Jan Reuvers. Brian might not be quite as full of shit as some are saying.
However, I ended up filing a small claims suit against Great Circle Sails. It would be one thing if the sails were delayed for a long time by covid (or anything else explainable) and Brian stayed in touch about it, but he disappeared with my deposit and won't communicate. It's not my job to chase his contract manufacturer.
I think you need to ask! I do know that many lofts are owned by the local sailmaker and not the National BrandSo, in this same vain, if I am dealing with Doyle Sails in Marblehead/Salem, who am I really dealing with? I had always assumed the loft was owned and run by Doyle Sails. I know some of the sails are still coming from Asia, and I am sure there are some made onsite, or at least modified when the loft in Asia screws something up or need to be tweaked. What are the details with Doyle Sails?