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The River Dart, UK
And yet very popular in the UK. I now look after three and most users really like them. Good for kids to practice in. Very predictable downwind.
Only problems are the weight and they won't hold much rig tension.
 
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Not sure what it is, exactly, but it looks like it could be fun. Only $300!
 
Steam Flyer

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Not sure what it is, exactly, but it looks like it could be fun. Only $300!
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Sidewinder. Total POS.
If it came with good sails & rigging on a good trailer, it would be a fun thing to blast around on until it fell apart. And you'd have the trailer.

But it's likely to need repair and rerigging before it could be sailed at all, much less "blast around."
 
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Not sure what it is, exactly, but it looks like it could be fun. Only $300!
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I think it's a Banshee or something like that. I think that's the kind of boat @Gouvernail wanted to build better as the hull shape was excellent but construction was garbage

edit: missed SteamFlyer identifying it as a Sidewinder
 
Gouvernail

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Steam Flyer said:
Sidewinder. Total POS.
If it came with good sails & rigging on a good trailer, it would be a fun thing to blast around on until it fell apart. And you'd have the trailer.

But it's likely to need repair and rerigging before it could be sailed at all, much less "blast around."
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Last week I chopped up my last two sidewinders.
Each one was over fifty years old. I can’t imagine how anybody could live long enough to “blast around until it fell apart.”
…but these two needed sails and lines and I already have a dozen other boats so I have them a merciful death.
It is a damn good thing I didn’t check this post yesterday because I am currently driving from PA to TX and I might have stopped in TN to have a look and maybe bring it with me.

Ahhhhhhh
 
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Last week I chopped up my last two sidewinders.
Each one was over fifty years old. I can’t imagine how anybody could live long enough to “blast around until it fell apart.”
…but these two needed sails and lines and I already have a dozen other boats so I have them a merciful death.
It is a damn good thing I didn’t check this post yesterday because I am currently driving from PA to TX and I might have stopped in TN to have a look and maybe bring it with me.

Ahhhhhhh
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Yeah but how many of those years were spent sitting on a mulch pile, NOT being sailed hard?
 
Steam Flyer

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By me or the boats??
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The boat, silly.

My experience with the Sidewinder and Pintail is that they start coming apart with a few years of the strain of sailing on them. The Sidewinders that used to race in the late '60s at the sailing club I was a member of, back then, were all being repaired or rejected before the late '70s. The Pintail which was a trainer for our high school program didn't make it 2 years... of course it was >40 years old at that point and we don't know what happened to it during it's first decade.

[edit to add] that Pintail had been sitting on a trailer untouched for at least 20 years prior to it being given to us. Testament to fiberglass and galvanized steel.
 
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The boat, silly.

My experience with the Sidewinder and Pintail is that they start coming apart with a few years of the strain of sailing on them. The Sidewinders that used to race in the late '60s at the sailing club I was a member of, back then, were all being repaired or rejected before the late '70s. The Pintail which was a trainer for our high school program didn't make it 2 years... of course it was >40 years old at that point and we don't know what happened to it during it's first decade.

[edit to add] that Pintail had been sitting on a trailer untouched for at least 20 years prior to it being given to us. Testament to fiberglass and galvanized steel.
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The first 300 sidewinders were built differently than the 1900 that followed.
Starting around #300 the cockpit bottom was part of the molded deck. The change was made in late 1970. ALL the boats built before that came apart.
Boats built after about #300 were overbuilt tanks that had to be seriously abused to fail to last forever.
When I took over the production line in 1974, I snuck a few pounds out of the boats and crested some new reinforcements to prevent any possibility of oil canning.
As the overall laminate was 1.75 oz of mat and 16 Oz of roving ( same as most 14 foot runabouts built by companies like MFG, Glastron, Larson, Invader, StarCraft, Sea Ray, Bayliner, etc..) the skin of the boat was about twice as strong ( and heavy) as the Laser.
I am curious about how your Pintail “fell apart.” The only failures I have seen on Pintails have been related to the balsa core rotting adjacent to the Centerboard trunk and out under the seats. In every case that rot was caused by the failure of proper maintenance. The screws holding the base of the poles supporting the seats had not been kept sealed or were altogether missing. Water soaked the core and the hull around the Centerboard trunk area had become compost.
I have repaired four such pintails in the last thirty years and all four are still sailing.

Note; I am ABSOLUTELY NOT suggesting either the Sidewinder of the pintail is a good boat. They are each way too damn heavy, their rigging sucks, their foils suck, their sail plans suck, and there aren’t even any fleets anymore.
Falling apart was NOT one of their problems. The only way to get rid of one is with a Sawzall using a Diablo thick metal 50x blade. It only takes about a half hour to reduce it to easily thrown chunks.
Last month I put two Sidewinders, a Sunfish, and a Dolphin sr inside a 23 foot keelboat and took the entire mess to the landfill.
 
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Lots of catamarans and other boats in need of homes

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To be clear, I am referencing a post in the Discussion thread by Adriel Brophy regarding On the Water in NC.
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Be very kind if y'all copy-pasted a picture and the summary from the page.
 
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Excellent, thanks... this place is located in an area that should be a small-sailboat and beachcat mecca. Also close enough to the Norfolk metro area to attract customers.
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Unfortunately it is not as popular as its location and costs would make you think.

East Coast Sailboats is 4 miles further down the road heading towards the bridge. Gentleman by the name of Hardy runs it. Very nice guy, sold me a carbon stick that extends to 7' for skiff use. I questioned its longevity and he quickly replied that his copy had survived multiple Everglade Challenges. Looking forward to seeing him again at the NC Gov Cup in June.
 
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... East Coast Sailboats is 4 miles further down the road heading towards the bridge. Gentleman by the name of Hardy runs it. Very nice guy, sold me a carbon stick that extends to 7' for skiff use. I questioned its longevity and he quickly replied that his copy had survived multiple Everglade Challenges. Looking forward to seeing him again at the NC Gov Cup in June.
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Links:
NC Gov Cup 2023

CFI's Telescoping Tiller with Tiller Return
A.K.A.: Sharp Fiberglass, formerly Custom Fiberglass International (CFI), has over 34 years experience in custom fiberglass fabrication for industrial and other uses. In addition to custom fabrication, we manufacture catamaran sailboats, custom restaurant furniture, and just about anything else you can make out of fiberglass.




IFG (INTERNATIONAL FIBERGLASS) IFG's Righting Bar (Info)
 
Foredeck Shuffle

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FD Sea Dog said:
Links:
NC Gov Cup 2023

CFI's Telescoping Tiller with Tiller Return
A.K.A.: Sharp Fiberglass, formerly Custom Fiberglass International (CFI), has over 34 years experience in custom fiberglass fabrication for industrial and other uses. In addition to custom fabrication, we manufacture catamaran sailboats, custom restaurant furniture, and just about anything else you can make out of fiberglass.




IFG (INTERNATIONAL FIBERGLASS) IFG's Righting Bar (Info)
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Cool, so that was Frank's tiller. He worked on two boats for me after I found Annapolis with no one willing to take in a dinghy for gelcoat clean up on one dinghy for structural repairs. His work was stellar and worth the drive to Henderson.

Anyone needing boat work in that area or do not mind the drive, I was elated with my boats when they returned. He's busy as he has a lot of industrial work, so be patient and you will be rewarded with a good return.

The real location of the shop is: 6032 US-1 BYP, Kittrell, NC 27544
 
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