Craigslist - Not mocking

[SloopJonB]

Sailed a Harmony 47 with a keel kind of like that in the BVI. Had a spade rudder though.

Worked fine - we didn't even realize it had an unconventional keel until we went diving.

Didn't seem to make any difference one way or the other so why bother?

 

[paps49]

Sailed a Harmony 47 with a keel kind of like that in the BVI. Had a spade rudder though.

Worked fine - we didn't even realize it had an unconventional keel until we went diving.

Didn't seem to make any difference one way or the other so why bother?

For this style of boat I guess it's more about draft and maneuverability. Wonder if it's original? In 1959 the keel designer was 11.

 

[paps49]

Same guy apparently designed the "UNIVERSAL HULL" supposedly combining a skinny efficient underbody with high volume topsides.

Quirky.



From Wiki....

"After leaving university, Collins became a yacht designer and invented and patented the tandem keel, which was conceived to create high performance at low draft, but which also remains one of the radical keels in the America's Cup. He continued his interest in yacht design with an innovation in hull design called the Universal Hull. This fused together two classic hull types (the long, thin, easily driven hull and the beamy commodious hull) in a form which yielded the chief virtues of both types of hull. The two hulls are joined above the waterline by a ledge which also acts as a spray ledge. The resulting shape is easily driven because of the long, thin underwater shape but enjoys the accommodation space (above the waterline) of a beamy hull."

 

[paps49]

Sailed a Harmony 47 with a keel kind of like that in the BVI. Had a spade rudder though.

Worked fine - we didn't even realize it had an unconventional keel until we went diving.

Didn't seem to make any difference one way or the other so why bother?

Presuming it had reduced draft your observations would seem a positive review Jon.

 

[SloopJonB]

Presuming it had reduced draft your observations would seem a positive review Jon.

It wasn't particularly shallow draft. I'd guess it was about 6'

 

[jgbrown]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/d/sailboat-cal-2-29/6511136588.html

Cal 29 for 1000$ OBO. 

 

[Ishmael]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/d/sailboat-cal-2-29/6511136588.html

Cal 29 for 1000$ OBO. 

Hmmmmmmmmm.

 

[lasal]

Hmmmmmmmmm.

It's pre-configured for kin-tiki style. The price $1000 or best offer sounds reasonable, but still, this is mocking territory if but for the bungee cords to the wheel before you even get to the S&M motor mount.

 

[madohe]

Con-tiki style lawn dart special...

https://wilmington.craigslist.org/boa/d/westerly-centaur-26/6484874193.html

 

[Ishmael]

Con-tiki style lawn dart special...

https://wilmington.craigslist.org/boa/d/westerly-centaur-26/6484874193.html

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$1250, with a diesel. You're breaking Dylan's heart.

 

[jgbrown]

It's pre-configured for kin-tiki style. The price $1000 or best offer sounds reasonable, but still, this is mocking territory if but for the bungee cords to the wheel before you even get to the S&M motor mount.

I'm curious how they broke the engine mount( and I am skeptical that they managed to haul it up and tie it on board before it hit the water) after they hit whatever.  But still, for a thousand bucks, if they really did the bulkhead tabbing and mast step replacement well, and the new chainplates included are of decent quality then seems like a very good price for around here.  

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

I'm curious how they broke the engine mount( and I am skeptical that they managed to haul it up and tie it on board before it hit the water) after they hit whatever.  But still, for a thousand bucks, if they really did the bulkhead tabbing and mast step replacement well, and the new chainplates included are of decent quality then seems like a very good price for around here.  

Me too. They don't just fall off a bracket. They don't even if you run aground at high speed. Repeatedly. I don't know what you have to do to get this to happen.

 

[jgbrown]

Me too. They don't just fall off a bracket. They don't even if you run aground at high speed. Repeatedly. I don't know what you have to do to get this to happen.

actually looking at it again in that photo, I wonder if someone else ran into it coming along between slips since all the damage looks to be on the same side if you rotated the bottom back into position.  I never cease to be amazed at the things people can run into and how fast they do it. 

 

[lasal]

If you're interested check it out. The bungie cords and psycho lashings are not a good sign, but it could be an good project. It will take a haul out and blocking to find out and start fixing, so budget for that and for trashing it if it's too far gone.

 

[Ishmael]

Hmmmmmmmmm.

It's pre-configured for kin-tiki style. The price $1000 or best offer sounds reasonable, but still, this is mocking territory if but for the bungee cords to the wheel before you even get to the S&M motor mount.

I figure it's a liveaboard, and the condition of that cockpit when you live on a boat is an indication of what the interior may be like. There's a reason most of the pix are old.

 

[lasal]

I figure it's a liveaboard, and the condition of that cockpit when you live on a boat is an indication of what the interior may be like. There's a reason most of the pix are old.

I was thinking maybe a family member or friend was helping a relative who wasn't able to deal with the boat and figured the outboard hanging in the water should be hung up above water somehow. The algae shows abandonment so only having a look will do! Take cash and an escape plan.

 

[Ishmael]

I was thinking maybe a family member or friend was helping a relative who wasn't able to deal with the boat and figured the outboard hanging in the water should be hung up above water somehow. The algae shows abandonment so only having a look will do! Take cash, a friend, and an escape plan.

And pay for it in the parking lot of the local cop shop.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

actually looking at it again in that photo, I wonder if someone else ran into it coming along between slips since all the damage looks to be on the same side if you rotated the bottom back into position.  I never cease to be amazed at the things people can run into and how fast they do it. 

Yeah if that motor were tilted and another boat hit it, the damage would probably look a lot like the photo.

 

[paps49]

Mmmmm, Pacific milk run anyone?

Seems to have been sold, all sales links have disappeared.

Some lucky bugger got a hell of a boat for $20k! This one really grabbed me so I did some digging. Designed by an engineer with 25 years sailing experience for family cruising and built by Luders in '56. Very early cold molded Mahogany with SS ring frames. Possibly the first tandem keel built.  Some links below to the Sports Illustrated article.

 https://www.si.com/vault/1957/01/21/599191/sailors-dream

https://www.si.com/vault/issue/42493/33/1

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[jgbrown]

Seems to have been sold, all sales links have disappeared.

Some lucky bugger got a hell of a boat for $20k! This one really grabbed me so I did some digging. Designed by an engineer with 25 years sailing experience for family cruising and built by Luders in '56. Very early cold molded Mahogany with SS ring frames. Possibly the first tandem keel built.  Some links below to the Sports Illustrated article.

 https://www.si.com/vault/1957/01/21/599191/sailors-dream

https://www.si.com/vault/issue/42493/33/1

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I think so too, someone asked me for more info and I contacted the seller with no reply.

The only thing that made me skittish about it is that according to the current owners is that it was sheathed with Dynel/epoxy in the early 90s.  When asked for details the seller said the bilge was still bare wood, and that they always kept it wet, then went on to note that it naturally stayed wet anyways, but no inspection had been done since then other than some small repairs.  They also said they had a big roll of the Dynel on board for repairs.  When I asked if they would be comfortable with a potential buyer having a couple fasteners pulled to check(and the grind off/re glassing and filling/fairing/paint at buyers expense (really not hard on a 4" patch max) they said there was no way they would consider any sampling of the hull/fasteners.  37 year after sheathing, I would like to see what condition the underlying wood/fasteners were in before buying.  Then I found out the boat was in Mexico, not Canada where it was posted.

The links you posted note a boat with two cabins, and two heads.  The one for sale was a single head where the V-berth would be, one quarter berth, and a convertible dinette.  I wonder if it was later converted or if there is more than one out there?