Craigslist - Not mocking

[jgbrown]

It’s a winsome boat. Looks cozy with the heater going. If it were in my area I’d look at it,...but would conclude for that money I could get something more useful.

That's my problem with it too.  If it were a 27, I'm not sure the build would have taken that much longer, but there the designer added a head and a galley, and I'd be all over it.  Is there a name for the thought process that leads to this?  I've noticed several boats that have the same kind of problem.  Absolutely beautiful construction(or refit) sparing no expense or effort, but at a relatively small cost savings over a slightly larger boat, only (I'm guessing) to ultimately realize that they would like a bit more elbow room or have a partner who says they need more space, which is when they end up for sale cheap, where the rewards of putting so much money in would be higher on the slightly larger boat.  

If the goal and the enjoyment was in the building then the owner spent his money well, the same is unlikely to be true of the small boat refits.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

$30,000 in materials;

6000 hr built time;

Best Small Cruiser - Sail 2011; yields:

Asking $9,500

That pretty much sums up the joy of boat building

I have been coming down with the boatbuilding disease mostly because no one wants to create what I want.

Guess what? If I create it and want to sell it, no one will want it.

The thing that has kept me out of this madness so far hasn't been the likelihood of reducing the value of the raw materials. It's those build hours. They could be spent using existing boats!

 

[Sail4beer]

Devlin makes great boats.

 

[KC375]

I have been coming down with the boatbuilding disease mostly because no one wants to create what I want.

Guess what? If I create it and want to sell it, no one will want it.

The thing that has kept me out of this madness so far hasn't been the likelihood of reducing the value of the raw materials. It's those build hours. They could be spent using existing boats!

Exactly, I enjoy working on boats, but I enjoy being out on boats more.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

I wonder why they put the helm there? Other than the obvious, "Because it couldn't go any further forward."

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/boa/d/35-ft-pearson-sailboat/6528393134.html

 

[SloopJonB]

Pearson liked that forward wheel in the 70's.

Ericson did it as well.

Good when it's wet & cold.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Pearson liked that forward wheel in the 70's.

Ericson did it as well.

Good when it's wet & cold.

Pearson did that? I figured some ambitious owner did it. I have wished for the wheel to be in the protection of the dodger before. I figured someone got tired of wishing and didn't care that it looks funny and blocks the companionway. Never figured that someone was the manufacturer.

 

[Sail4beer]

Sparkman and Stephens did a few woodies with the helm forward as well

 

[Mr. Ed]

And Amels as well, no?

I can’t be bothered to do pix (am on a device) but this lovely girl, credited to Aage Nielsen is pretty far forward in the helm department 

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1964/Aage-Nielsen-Yawl-1964-2969425/United-States#.Wqp60SKnyEc

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

And Amels as well, no?

I can’t be bothered to do pix (am on a device) but this lovely girl, credited to Aage Nielsen is pretty far forward in the helm department 

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1964/Aage-Nielsen-Yawl-1964-2969425/United-States#.Wqp60SKnyEc

To the extent it has a cockpit, the helmsman seems to be right in the middle of it.

 

[Mr. Ed]

I hadn’t appreciated how stumpy the cockpit is, but it’s still forward of the mainsheet

 

[steele]

I have no idea if the price is fair, but lots of info on this boat in old posts.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/d/25-left-coast-dart/6529624372.html

 

[kinardly]

Helm forward when short handed cruising can be a big advantage. Ericson 46s originally had the wheel bolted to the aft bulkhead of the cabin but most also had a coffee grinder on the cabin roof. Mine had a second companionway from the aft stateroom with a pedestal about two and a half feet aft of that, just enough to comfortably slip out to the cockpit. With primaries flanking the companionway, the helmsman could still tack a #2 easily and control the mainsheet and traveler just forward of the companionway hatch. Meanwhile, all the guests are sitting aft, out of the way and no one has to get up for a tack or gybe. Not best for racing but definitely an advantage for cruising and casual daysailing. 

 

[SemiSalt]

Pearson liked that forward wheel in the 70's.

Ericson did it as well.

Good when it's wet & cold.

The Pearson 35 has "Alberg" styling which includes quite a lot of stern overhang. There is scarcely any room under the cockpit sole for the steering gear any further aft.

 

[KC375]

The Pearson 35 has "Alberg" styling which includes quite a lot of stern overhang. There is scarcely any room under the cockpit sole for the steering gear any further aft.

View attachment 263526

You can get a pretty looking boat when you squeeze a 25 foot interior into a 35 foot boat.

 

[Commercial Boater]

https://providence.craigslist.org/boa/d/tartan-30-custom-sailboat/6481381579.html

I've been eyeing this one for awhile. I hope to see it after I get back home in May. Looks well maintained if old and a bit "cosmetically challenged." Repowered with a diesel, new upholstery, recently cruised with all the trimmings. No idea what the guy did with the lifelines but apparently he likes to live on the edge?

Tartan 30's are plain but I really like them. They seem like solid old boats with a good design. Here's hoping it's still there when I get to see it.

 

[Hawaiidart]

I have no idea if the price is fair, but lots of info on this boat in old posts.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/d/25-left-coast-dart/6529624372.html

The hull number before this one sold for $10,000 more than the asking price for this one.  We assume that someone might want to transport it to the mainland (it would be great in S.D. or the PNW) and took the discount off the top.  PM me if anyone wants more information.  Yes, we did buy an ad: that's where this pic came from.

 

[chester]

https://providence.craigslist.org/boa/d/tartan-30-custom-sailboat/6481381579.html

I've been eyeing this one for awhile. I hope to see it after I get back home in May. Looks well maintained if old and a bit "cosmetically challenged." Repowered with a diesel, new upholstery, recently cruised with all the trimmings. No idea what the guy did with the lifelines but apparently he likes to live on the edge?

Tartan 30's are plain but I really like them. They seem like solid old boats with a good design. Here's hoping it's still there when I get to see it.

Didn't someone post a Craig's list of a young family looking for a $5000 boat? This would be close

 

[Sail4beer]

https://kpr.craigslist.org/boa/d/sailboat/6488746242.html

 

[Ishmael]

https://kpr.craigslist.org/boa/d/sailboat/6488746242.html

View attachment 264025

What a horrible thing to do to a Rozinante.