Dalton cautiously optimistic

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"The reception from the sponsors was very, very good," Dalton said.

(me) That's a very, very encouraging statement. Later, he may have indicated he hasn't even needed to speak to others behind in line also wanting to get on board, possibly suggesting there will be no room or even need for them:

Dalton revealed there had been some interest from potential new sponsors though he was yet to sit across a table with them.

 
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Dalton is the CEO again...

Yip!

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O- organizer.

Dalton will spin what the NZ government will want to hear.

Where is the Audit, review and seeking of interest from other CEO's and management?

Any other organization would go to the market and see what alternative are available rather than settle with people with a proven losing record.

Seems to me the process is faulty and TNZ is a closed shop controlled by a clique that does not want to be challenged and or shown up as the losers they are.

TNZ is really TGD Team Grumpy Dalton

 
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For us oracle fans it is great news that Dalton is still around going to get the money and come back. We want to kick his ass again. Actually I want to see Ainslie kick his ass in the challenger series.

 
Finnfart

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Dalton is the CEO again...

Yip!

C- choking

E- extraordinare

O- organizer.

Dalton will spin what the NZ government will want to hear.

Where is the Audit, review and seeking of interest from other CEO's and management?

Any other organization would go to the market and see what alternative are available rather than settle with people with a proven losing record.

Seems to me the process is faulty and TNZ is a closed shop controlled by a clique that does not want to be challenged and or shown up as the losers they are.

TNZ is really TGD Team Grumpy Dalton
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For gods sake... Dalton won the AC by 9 to 3 but for the time limit... and then eventually lost it 11-8. Both are extremely honorable scorelines for him and TNZ. Things could have gone their way at several points during the comeback... but they didn't.

But as a leader, he put his team in a position where they were competitive enough that any turn of luck during 8 races, and they would have had the cup.

True that it didn't work out that way. But they were beyond competitive. That is all you can ask of a leader.

You seem to expect him to deliver an unassailable advantage. Good luck with that. That wouldn't be competitive sport. It would be professional wrestling.

 
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floater said:
Exactly, some of the best sailors in the world have lost the cup
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what utter bullshit. Only the best sailors winn it. All others were/are not the best.
Dalton has failed twice. barker lost the cup once and has subsequently not won it twice.

They have a very bad record of failure.

For anyone to say this latest campaign is good are just dreaming.

To have a advantage and not nail the win is worse than being of the pace from day one. To do it with a two race advantage against a boat with crew DSQ's, a major boat failure, and handling issues is embarrassing.

For anyone to say they had bad luck is bullshit. You make your own luck.

I don,t here anyone saying OR had bad luck. They had bad situations and turned them around. ETNZ had less bad situations and fell asleep at the wheel.

 
Tornado-Cat

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Finnfart said:
Americas Cup said:
Dalton is the CEO again...

Yip!

C- choking

E- extraordinare

O- organizer.

Dalton will spin what the NZ government will want to hear.

Where is the Audit, review and seeking of interest from other CEO's and management?

Any other organization would go to the market and see what alternative are available rather than settle with people with a proven losing record.

Seems to me the process is faulty and TNZ is a closed shop controlled by a clique that does not want to be challenged and or shown up as the losers they are.

TNZ is really TGD Team Grumpy Dalton
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For gods sake... Dalton won the AC by 9 to 3 but for the time limit... and then eventually lost it 11-8. Both are extremely honorable scorelines for him and TNZ. Things could have gone their way at several points during the comeback... but they didn't.

But as a leader, he put his team in a position where they were competitive enough that any turn of luck during 8 races, and they would have had the cup.

True that it didn't work out that way. But they were beyond competitive. That is all you can ask of a leader.

You seem to expect him to deliver an unassailable advantage. Good luck with that. That wouldn't be competitive sport. It would be professional wrestling.
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Well done Finnfart.

Thought about putting something similar up - but as the place is mostly inhabited now by self-congratulatory posters busy rewriting history so it seemed pointless.

ETNZ was not ahead for half the cup cycle as stated above but for almost 100% of it. The idea that they were behind from the beginning was shown to be dubious as soon as B1 foiled and then shot down completely once we saw the pasta special launched by OTUSA.

By abandoning most of their own ideas after the Orpocylpse and doing a C&P of the ETNZ boats, OTUSA dragged themselves back from complete humiliation. Then by the incorporation of a mechanism that is arguably against the class rule, a brilliant last second reconfiguration of their boat and crew and finally learning how to get the most out it, they pulled off one of the most amazing comebacks in sport, retaking the advantage for the last 0.x% of the event.

To pretend that that there was anything inevitable about the win, that OTUSA didn't come within a whisker of losing it, or that their opposition in the match is deserving of ridicule is clearly the preserve of trolls.

Unfortunately the dubious ethics of the 34th AC have now been bequeathed to the 35th, with the insider deal that resulted in the choice of COR and her CEO - big business style, not sport - there's certainly nothing to be proud of in that.

 
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nav said:
Well done Finnfart.

Thought about putting something similar up - but as the place is mostly inhabited now by self-congratulatory posters busy rewriting history so it seemed pointless.

ETNZ was not ahead for half the cup cycle as stated above but for almost 100% of it. The idea that they were behind from the beginning was shown to be dubious as soon as B1 foiled and then shot down completely once we saw the pasta special launched by OTUSA.

By abandoning most of their own ideas after the Orpocylpse and doing a C&P of the ETNZ boats, OTUSA dragged themselves back from complete humiliation. Then by the incorporation of a mechanism that is arguably against the class rule, a brilliant last second reconfiguration of their boat and crew and finally learning how to get the most out it, they pulled off one of the most amazing comebacks in sport, retaking the advantage for the last 0.x% of the event.

To pretend that that there was anything inevitable about the win, that OTUSA didn't come within a whisker of losing it, or that their opposition in the match is deserving of ridicule is clearly the preserve of trolls.

The dubious ethics of the 34th AC have now been bequeathed to the 35th, with the insider deal that resulted in the choice of the COR and her CEO - big business style, not sport - there's certainly nothing to be proud of in that.
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If you believe this quote of yours, then you believe the Measurers and the Jury are incompetent, which would be necessary extension include kiwi Graham McKenzie.

the incorporation of a mechanism that is arguably against the class rule,

 
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PeterHuston said:
nav said:
Well done Finnfart.

Thought about putting something similar up - but as the place is mostly inhabited now by self-congratulatory posters busy rewriting history so it seemed pointless.

ETNZ was not ahead for half the cup cycle as stated above but for almost 100% of it. The idea that they were behind from the beginning was shown to be dubious as soon as B1 foiled and then shot down completely once we saw the pasta special launched by OTUSA.

By abandoning most of their own ideas after the Orpocylpse and doing a C&P of the ETNZ boats, OTUSA dragged themselves back from complete humiliation. Then by the incorporation of a mechanism that is arguably against the class rule, a brilliant last second reconfiguration of their boat and crew and finally learning how to get the most out it, they pulled off one of the most amazing comebacks in sport, retaking the advantage for the last 0.x% of the event.

To pretend that that there was anything inevitable about the win, that OTUSA didn't come within a whisker of losing it, or that their opposition in the match is deserving of ridicule is clearly the preserve of trolls.

The dubious ethics of the 34th AC have now been bequeathed to the 35th, with the insider deal that resulted in the choice of the COR and her CEO - big business style, not sport - there's certainly nothing to be proud of in that.
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If you believe this quote of yours, then you believe the Measurers and the Jury are incompetent, which would be necessary extension include kiwi Graham McKenzie.

the incorporation of a mechanism that is arguably against the class rule,
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On that aspect of my post you make a strange point, given that these two bodies were at odds with each other at times.

But yes, the OTUSA board control system is arguable under the class rule* - why does that bring the competence of the officials into question?

It was argued, sort of, though not in the black and white manner one would have wished, but that was ETNZ's doing.

We were given plenty of reasons to question the MC's competence though, as you will know yourself.

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- The operation for (hydraulic valves) (used for the adjustment of .... daggerboards) shall not receive external input from any source other than manual input.

- These systems ... shall be hard wired between the manual inputs and the valve

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Manual input: out of shot left, hydraulic valve for board control ram: top - so everything in between is dodgy! :)

 
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floater said:
Exactly, some of the best sailors in the world have lost the cup
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what utter bullshit. Only the best sailors winn it. All others were/are not the best.
Dalton has failed twice. barker lost the cup once and has subsequently not won it twice.

They have a very bad record of failure.

For anyone to say this latest campaign is good are just dreaming.

To have a advantage and not nail the win is worse than being of the pace from day one. To do it with a two race advantage against a boat with crew DSQ's, a major boat failure, and handling issues is embarrassing.

For anyone to say they had bad luck is bullshit. You make your own luck.

I don,t here anyone saying OR had bad luck. They had bad situations and turned them around. ETNZ had less bad situations and fell asleep at the wheel.
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Dude, hand over the crack pipe and get some help.

 
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nav said:
Well done Finnfart.

Thought about putting something similar up - but as the place is mostly inhabited now by self-congratulatory posters busy rewriting history so it seemed pointless.

ETNZ was not ahead for half the cup cycle as stated above but for almost 100% of it. The idea that they were behind from the beginning was shown to be dubious as soon as B1 foiled and then shot down completely once we saw the pasta special launched by OTUSA.

By abandoning most of their own ideas after the Orpocylpse and doing a C&P of the ETNZ boats, OTUSA dragged themselves back from complete humiliation. Then by the incorporation of a mechanism that is arguably against the class rule, a brilliant last second reconfiguration of their boat and crew and finally learning how to get the most out it, they pulled off one of the most amazing comebacks in sport, retaking the advantage for the last 0.x% of the event.

To pretend that that there was anything inevitable about the win, that OTUSA didn't come within a whisker of losing it, or that their opposition in the match is deserving of ridicule is clearly the preserve of trolls.

Unfortunately the dubious ethics of the 34th AC have now been bequeathed to the 35th, with the insider deal that resulted in the choice of COR and her CEO - big business style, not sport - there's certainly nothing to be proud of in that.
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The herbologists have left the building .

It was OR's narrow bows and no LET that won the day :)

Welcome back

 
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TKR said:
Woohoo, with Dalton back on board we have a great chance of coming second again.
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A better chance than if you were running the show.
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I don't know about that. Daltons succes rate is a big fat ZERO from a total expenditure of over $650million over 13 years. that should not be to hard to beat.

i would say TKR has a better than even chance of being at least equal if not better that that gaint CHOKER.

i,d put money on TKR being no worse.... after all how could anybody be worse than 0 from three

 
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