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Back to the life raft analogy, tossing money as in our foreign aid philosophy is fraught with corruption. A large scale Peace Core model where we taught skills while building the infrastructure leaving physical infrastructure and trained craftsmen and engineers is closer to a solution.
We shouldn't give any taxpayer dollars to any other governments. You are free to send your own cash if you like.

But that is not the same as allowing immigration. Immigration benefits us.
 

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We shouldn't give any taxpayer dollars to any other governments. You are free to send your own cash if you like.

But that is not the same as allowing immigration. Immigration benefits us.
Well you simply are not dealing with reality in your post
 

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Well you simply are not dealing with reality in your post
Make a case for it then.

I used to think like you, but then I saw the facts. The facts are that immigration is good.

Bryan Caplan does a good job of addressing pretty much every argument there is against open borders here. Remember, the reason to have open borders is not that it just "helps" the immigrant, although it definitely does that. The reason to do it is that it helps everyone.

 

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Make a case for it then.

I used to think like you, but then I saw the facts. The facts are that immigration is good.

Bryan Caplan does a good job of addressing pretty much every argument there is against open borders here. Remember, the reason to have open borders is not that it just "helps" the immigrant, although it definitely does that. The reason to do it is that it helps everyone.


Well then let’s back up
Define open borders
and compare your definition to what has been happening at an ever accelerating pace on OUR
Southern border
 

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Make a case for it then.

I used to think like you, but then I saw the facts. The facts are that immigration is good.

Bryan Caplan does a good job of addressing pretty much every argument there is against open borders here. Remember, the reason to have open borders is not that it just "helps" the immigrant, although it definitely does that. The reason to do it is that it helps everyone.


I think I've identified the disconnect in your exchange with vvv.

You are operating from a position of thinking he cares about others. Easy to do.

Those with compassion often think that is the norm, and that others share a similar value system.
 

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Well then let’s back up
Define open borders
and compare your definition to what has been happening at an ever accelerating pace on OUR
Southern border
Open borders is where we identify and record everyone entering and as long as they are not diseased or criminals, we give them a green card and let them in.
 

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I think I've identified the disconnect in your exchange with vvv.

You are operating from a position of thinking he cares about others. Easy to do.

Those with compassion often think that is the norm, and that others share a similar value system.
But that is ok too. There are very selfish reasons to allow immigration. We get better stuff and services at a lower cost. Win-win.
 

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Open borders is where we identify and record everyone entering and as long as they are not diseased or criminals, we give them a green card and let them in.
Do we first identify if we “need “ them?
 

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What does that even mean? We want them. You just don't realize it.
You are jumping to the finish and conclusion
Yes !
We should allow in people legally based on the needs of our society and economy.
ABSOLUTELY!
What is happening on the southern border is exactly opposite of what is best for our country.
 

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You are jumping to the finish and conclusion
Yes !
We should allow in people legally based on the needs of our society and economy.
ABSOLUTELY!
What is happening on the southern border is exactly opposite of what is best for our country.
Make a case for it. The data is not on your side. We benefit letting nearly everyone in that wants to come.
 

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Make a case for it. The data is not on your side. We benefit letting nearly everyone in that wants to come.
Will they fight for their country when called upon, can they fight for our country if called upon?
There will be war again, history shows that!
The human condition shows that!
 

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Will they fight for their country when called upon, can they fight for our country if called upon?
There will be war again, history shows that!
The human condition shows that!
I suspect that if they were given the opportunity that the US has for them compared to what they have now, they might be even more willing to fight than current citizens that don't even appreciate what they have.

But so what? I need tenants for my apartment building. I need hard working employees. I need more restaurant experiences. I need more and better stuff. I need more people to buy my stuff. Why should you interfere with my desire to transact with people just because they were born on the wrong side of the line?
 

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I suspect that if they were given the opportunity that the US has for them compared to what they have now, they might be even more willing to fight than current citizens that don't even appreciate what they have.

But so what? I need tenants for my apartment building. I need hard working employees. I need more restaurant experiences. I need more and better stuff. I need more people to buy my stuff. Why should you interfere with my desire to transact with people just because they were born on the wrong side of the line?
We need like minded patriotic immigrants
Do you cook?
 

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We need like minded patriotic immigrants
Do you cook?
We don't need like minded anything. We just need people willing to respect the rights of other people here (no criminals). They can have whatever mind they like otherwise.

Sure I can cook.
 

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We don't need like minded anything. We just need people willing to respect the rights of other people here (no criminals). They can have whatever mind they like otherwise.

Sure I can cook.
Over seasoning?
 

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why are righty's so fkn' dumb? you know, in a general sense...
Yawn… been listening to that type of libiod bulling since the “Baby Killer Days “
Newbie … ride off on your angry

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