Desirable and Undesirable Characteristics of Offshore Yachts

Elegua

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lol - yes exactly - very topical for me - I just this week killed the last mythic boss and got "Cutting Edge" achievement in latest wow mythic raid tier. It is a bit harder offshore to reset the boss when you screw up, and (like 'ironman achievement') you only get one death.
Yes. Not to be flip, no one wants to die, but that's what gives it meaning. 

When I was young, I spent time sailing on a square rigger offshore and living in rugged places, days walk away from any, "help" kind of places; where people, nature, or my own poor judgment could mean my demise.  I've not forgotten that life.  Having served my time as a wage slave, I'd like to go back to it.  I've earned my Vanaprastha. :D

 
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Fah Kiew Tu

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Yes. Not to be flip, no one wants to die, but that's what gives it meaning. 

When I was young, I spent time sailing on a square rigger offshore and living in rugged places, days walk away from any, "help" kind of places; where people, nature, or my own poor judgment could mean my demise.  I've not forgotten that life.  Having served my time as a wage slave, I'd like to go back to it.  I've earned my Vanaprastha. :D
I wouldn't - did the 'back to the land' thing when I was a lot younger. These days I want to live moderately close to half decent medical & dental care. And a library.

OTOH living in cities or the burbs is like being stuck in purgatory, hence my current status - a few acres on the waterfront, small house, big workshop, with my boat out the front.

FKT

 

olaf hart

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Elegua

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I wouldn't - did the 'back to the land' thing when I was a lot younger. These days I want to live moderately close to half decent medical & dental care. And a library.

OTOH living in cities or the burbs is like being stuck in purgatory, hence my current status - a few acres on the waterfront, small house, big workshop, with my boat out the front.

FKT
I believe those days are gone. You have to go really far off piste these days as compared to 30 years ago to achieve the same level of remoteness.   No more people asking you to use your binoculars to look in their stomach because it hurts. No more crossing two rivers and a several days hike to get to a telex or radio. (All good things for the inhabitants) I’ve had a normal career in less normal places. Until very recently I’ve never lived in something like a US suburb.  Moving there felt like moving to a foreign country.  It was interesting to do for a short period.  I’d like to do the same as you, but I’m not sure where and I still have some long distance sailing I want to get in.  

 
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accnick

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you have to have a proper equator crossing ceremony . .  .but then oden grants you the ability.
That would be Neptune, in my book. He got a bit of Mt. Gay from our boat, just N of the Galapagos.

 
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Fah Kiew Tu

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I believe those days are gone. You have to go really far off piste these days as compared to 30 years ago to achieve the same level of remoteness.   No more people asking you to use your binoculars to look in their stomach because it hurts. No more crossing two rivers and a several days hike to get to a telex or radio. (All good things for the inhabitants) I’ve had a normal career in less normal places. Until very recently I’ve never lived in something like a US suburb.  Moving there felt like moving to a foreign country.  It was interesting to do for a short period.  I’d like to do the same as you, but I’m not sure where and I still have some long distance sailing I want to get in.  
I thought I wanted to do some long distance sailing until a few years ago then decided that actually I probably didn't. There's nothing about being out in the deep blue that I actually miss, been there lots already. I may change my mind again, never say never.

FKT

 

Elegua

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I thought I wanted to do some long distance sailing until a few years ago then decided that actually I probably didn't. There's nothing about being out in the deep blue that I actually miss, been there lots already. I may change my mind again, never say never.

FKT
Fair enough. One of few blessings of getting older is knowing what you want better and caring less about what others think of it.   

For me, I really enjoy the solitude of being offshore, the sense of having traveled before I arrive somewhere.  Even going back to when I was a kid sailing with my parents - we didn't have an autopilot. 

Coastal cruising is also great, and what I do most these days. It is a different pleasure. 

 

accnick

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Is that all tied to that ceremony when the head starts to flush clockwise thing? Just asking for a friend.
I was too busy hand-sewing a torn genoa together at the time to pay the much attention to the water in the head.

 

gn4478

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No it is not obvious.

Do you think a steel can,  with handholds (and minimal super strong, super heavy, mast and rudder and keel) . . . .  is the perfect offshore vessel?  It would meet all your criteria.
I guess you did not get my humor. Obviously, to anyone that knows anything there is no right answer.....

 

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A downwind boat basically wants a big, deep foil-sectioned rudder well aft, and no appendages forward of that.  Kinda like an arrow or a rocket: stuff at the back to control direction.  And it wants to be light enough to accelerate well, with low drag, and with drive from sails well fwd.

One of the best approaches to those goals is the Boreal centreboarders.  They don't have a huge rudder, but they do have  a daggerboard on each quarter, so with the centreboard raised they are almost unbroachable.
Reminds me a little bit of Viktor's solution. 

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https://www.seahorsemagazine.com/95-content/april-2016/349-unique-is-just-a-word

http://oceanschool.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Viktor-the-Russian.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3pOQ6qCqnhXpymkHW-SiQQMPN3XSSxYm21TDBGkviEZ0SDdXzVMnXeemo

 
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