CapDave
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Looks a lot like the Drascombe Lugger
https://drascombe.uk/
Or a Bay Raider
https://swallowyachts.com/range/bay-raider-20/
Desirable and Undesirable Characteristics of Offshore Yachts
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https://drascombe.uk/
Or a Bay Raider
https://swallowyachts.com/range/bay-raider-20/
I'd try Irens. He thinks out of the box, has experience both in freestanding masts and bald headed rigs, has designed and seen a number of them built. Maybe Bieker because he can also think out of the box. Wylie has some experience with the rigs, but you would need to like his lawn dart style hulls.
Engineering a free standing mast is not the problem, any competent engineer can do that. It is understanding the cat rig that is much rarer. People - and many NAs - think of it as they would a sloop with the jib down. That does not get you are very good boat.
Also, most cat ketches have masts close enough together to limit performance - close enough to interact, but not close enough to interact as a single airfoil like a sloop. You need to separate them longitudinally (long light boat) or laterally (biplane cat), unless upwind performance doesn't matter much to you. Irens attacked this by overlapping them which has its own set of issues.
CapDave
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It's beautiful, always admire well kept brightwork. When I was boatshopping for a liveaboard cruiser the top of my list was: Zero exterior woodwork.
Almost made it! We have about 50 sq. inches of bare teak on our two transom steps. Token teak.
Panope
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If you ever wonder why the sailing world is so conservative, look no further than this comment. Not that I disagree, mind you, but the logical outcome is small iterative changes on the current formula. The advantage of having a well explored design space and properly dialed in design is probably larger than the differences between most decent concepts.
You can't blame Sponberg for the lack of weight control or poor build quality. There are a lot of stories like this in BOC/Around Alone/Vendee history. A client shows up with a dream and a plan for securing sponsorship. A design gets done while sponsorship is pursued. The sponsorship usually doesn't materializes, or materializes only in dribs and drabs and the boat is either never built, or cobbled together. If it does get built there isn't enough money for it to compete against the well funded campaigns. PROJECT AMAZON is not the only boat built for these races that never really made it past the starting line.
estarzinger
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yea, Cat's are probably more functional.
However just as a matter of personal esthetics a Cat will not do it for me. They look foreign on the water.
While a Tri looks like it belongs - like an Albatrosses soaring just over the wave tops.
This is odd for me, because I am usually an 'engineering first' guy, and I could spout some engineering reasons why I prefer tri, but it would simply be justifications - I would just much rather row out to one than a Cat.
I recognize and acknowledge my irrationality here . .. . . but it is what it is.
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Cruisin Loser
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A well beyond ridiculous exaggeration. She gets a coat or two on the exterior at her builder's yard each winter.
In New England I presume, not West Texas. A coat or two in the winter works where the sun doesn't shine, not so well in SoCal or Florida or the Carib. A coat every 3 months is more like it there.
estarzinger
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I would have guessed that CL had inside winter storage for this boat - that is how it 'should' be kept.
It would be a bit sad to just shrink wrap and leave outside on a parking lot such a piece of fine art
It would be a bit sad to just shrink wrap and leave outside on a parking lot such a piece of fine art
Cruisin Loser
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No cover. Indoor heated storage.
She only pokes her nose as far south as Bermuda occasionally, then retreats back north to avoid sunburn, as do I.
My wife and I have very fair complexions, she is from New Mexico and got her fill of hot sun as a child.
We decided long ago that we much prefer Maine and Nova Scotia to the Caribbean, we kept a boat there once, tired of it quickly and decided winters are better spent heli-skiiing.
So she is sailed seasonally, mostly in Maine where she fits quite well.
She has one head in 48', and one double berth, large, for us. She is a very personal toy.
Cruisin Loser
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Blue Crab
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CapDave
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CapDave
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This is an existential dilemma for us, since we love the Caribbean and heli-skiing. Still struggling for the right balance.
Blue Crab
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Yessiree! Plus:
"People sail for fun and no one has yet convinced me that it's more fun to go slow than it is to go fast." DNewick
