Ikes Bay
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Thirsty Tiger ORCA (Carter) 43 sailed out of the Chicago YC in the mid-80’s. Not sure where she is now.
Dick Carter design boats
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moody frog
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As far as I remember, "Ragtime" one-off was the prototype for the new 3/4 T production yacht "Carter Offshore U.K", Sammy Sampson, were promoting in the occasion of the '76 Plymouth Worlds.
See "Histoire des Halfs".
I, then, believed and still do that this specific yacht had not been ready for the U.K trials and therefore unselected, which led to D. Carter stepping in as "charterer" for the event to be able to fill a "empty" U.S slot. F.W.I.W
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No idea ?
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Tx Moody, so this boat would only be chartered by Carter ?
moody frog
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Don't take this for 100% granted ..... but - as I felt at the time - a "charterer" - between brackets - in those days was just nominal, one of the minimum number of flag country crew members. This, quite common, practice allowed a good unselected yacht from a strong country to fill the spots of a lesser country.
I remember one of the "Noryema"s and "More Opposition" racing the Adm. Cup for odd little countries and of course the outmost Californian boat "Improbable" racing, in '71, for New-Zealand thanks to regular crew-member ... Ron Holland.
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It looks like we could have a confusion between Carter 35 "Ragtime" prototype from Windboats shipyard and Carter 32 "ragtime class" from North Shore Marine. Seems they are twice 3/4 tonners but stern lines are very different and lenght too... (See photos) Any information ?
bmiller
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I stumbled on this Carter 37 for sale up in Washington.
Any thoughts on it's capability as a coastal cruiser, maybe head to Mexico?
Any thoughts on it's capability as a coastal cruiser, maybe head to Mexico?
Health Forces Sale - boats - by owner - marine sale
1974 Carter 37 Sailboat Fully equipped for off shore. Radar, Auto Pilot, 2 GPS Chart Plotters, VHF with AIS, SSB, Weather Fax New Raymarine speed wind and depth sounder. New interior, refer-...
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SloopJonB
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Those Carter 33's and the larger Texas One Ton were among the best looking of the IOR pintails.
IMO of course.
fivestar
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This advert may be of interest regarding Ragtime-
moody frog
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Carter 32: issued early '75 ("Petit Prince", "Peticache" ....)
Also built in Australia as the "Carter 33" just to make it more complicated
Just as most of the early 3/4 tons -the class was born in '74 ! - it proved slightly "too small" for a 24'5 rating: i.e too easy to rate below the limit. ( others (e.g Nic 33) had to relie on "J" penalties or keel changes). Most early 3/4 tons were obsolete by '76.
Carter 35: prototype '76 ("Ragtime"), production '77 ("Peppermint")
NEW design.
All from Carter Offshore (Northshore or Windboats were subcontracting moulders)
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Tanton Y_M
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Carter 36 Texas One Ton; a wooden version in England.
http://www.tantonyachtdesign.blogspot.com
Search: Carter Offshore 36' Texas One Ton.
12 metre
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Certainly among the best pintails...
But the best looking ones were by Y.M. Tanton. IMO as well.
Not sure which one of his designs this one is. Then there is the classic photo of Love Machine 2 getting slammed by a wave in SORC.
Ronja-express
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In my youth (around the early 1980s) there was a night race from Korsör (Denmark) to Kiel (Germany). It was honking even before the start and a Carter designed boat named 'Ragtime' was preparing for the race near the start line.
They made a mistake and ran aground on a reef. Wind and waves pushed them further and everybody in the harbour saw how they shot red signals into the dark sky.
We saw the mast shaking when the boat hit the rocks.
A motoryacht towed the boat into the harbour as we left for the start.
'Ragtime' was put in slings to prevent her from sinking we heard.
A few months later the boat was repaired and racing again in die Western Baltic.
Does anybody here know which 'Ragtime' that was?
Holger
They made a mistake and ran aground on a reef. Wind and waves pushed them further and everybody in the harbour saw how they shot red signals into the dark sky.
We saw the mast shaking when the boat hit the rocks.
A motoryacht towed the boat into the harbour as we left for the start.
'Ragtime' was put in slings to prevent her from sinking we heard.
A few months later the boat was repaired and racing again in die Western Baltic.
Does anybody here know which 'Ragtime' that was?
Holger
moody frog
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Very good comparison !!
This contemporary design to the Carter 32, suffered the same fate as the 32 3/4T above : too small for her level racing class ...
At the '74 OTC, none of the 3 Carter 36s, the above Lallows built, a Souter built one for multiple Belgian owner De Beukelaer and a Plastrend one for famed sailmaker and racer Bruce Banks were deceiptive while Peterson confirmed and Holland made his mark.
But ... back to our point: Bruce Banks was too tough and stubborn to remain that down !
He decided to re-tune his boat for a lower rating and forget the O.T class.
Right he was ! In '75, against a flurry of new Contessa 35s and High-Tension 36's, he won hands on both the Solent Points and RORC Class III championships !! When he sold her, she went on shining in the East Coast races in a new ownership ...
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That would mean that it was quite important to fit the rating of the boat for her to be a star... Think it was the prerogative of IOR rules. Yves Marie, at this time design a boat was more funny, no?
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Lookin at this picture, looks like thumblehome was rather like smooth bumps for IOR rating?
Tanton Y_M
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Would be interesting to know about Banks modification, on the Plastrend Carter 36. The production boat was primarily designed for the lighter air condition prevailing in the US in the Summer. With a tricked down I.O.R hull, dropping 2500Lbs, from the previous One Ton winner Ydra, while keeping the same sail area. Perhaps too much sail for the 1974 O-T world series and in general dealing with the English weather. So, I presume he reduced the sail plan to get a better rating.
