Do Libertarians Still Exist?

Raz'r

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Where in fuctifno is America’s hat?
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Raz'r

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I think conservatives are more interested in just enough laws. There is wide gap between no laws and some laws.
Nah, that's Libertarian. Look at all the big-gov't laws the Rs put in place. Regulations of companies they don't like, but laws against the little people? They are all for that. 

 

Pertinacious Tom

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Now about your boy Ron's anti-abortion stance.
He disagrees with me and with the party platform on that one, but differences of opinion are tolerated in some political circles.

Do you have any differences of opinion with Biden at all?

For example, do you like his anti-libertarian position on drug war looting?

Maybe this will help:

Civil forfeiture preys on disadvantaged communities. Two-thirds of respondents were Black, 63% earned less than $50,000 annually, and 18% were unemployed. And forfeitures were clustered in predominantly minority and low-income areas.
Hmm... Just like the stupid drug war, eminent domain, and gun laws, these laws disproportionately target minorities.

 

Olsonist

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He disagrees with me and with the party platform on that one, but differences of opinion are tolerated in some political circles.

Do you have any differences of opinion with Biden at all?

For example, do you like his anti-libertarian position on drug war looting?

Maybe this will help:
His VP sponsored the MORE Act in the Senate which would have decriminalized marijuana. I suppose it could have used some Republican co-sponsors, maybe one from Kentucky, a badge of honor wearing Senator from Kentucky. Maybe your boy Rand. Yeah, maybe not.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/s2227/cosponsors

It passed the 2019 House. Died in Grassley's (!) Finance Committee.

BTW, I notice that your boy Shitstain rescinded the Cole memorandum and that Biden's AG said he'd reinstitute a version of it.

 

Raz'r

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He disagrees with me and with the party platform on that one, but differences of opinion are tolerated in some political circles.

Do you have any differences of opinion with Biden at all?

For example, do you like his anti-libertarian position on drug war looting?

Maybe this will help:
Wait, uncle joe’s not a libertarian? Well, hu gnu? Rand isn’t either? Yeah, I did know that. 

 

El Borracho

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quod umbra said:
The problem is that it is a bigger tent that you can comprehend.
A big empty tent. Where do you propose a libertarian movement would find what it needs: adherents and voters? Presently the dreamers seem to think the RWNJ are a ready source. I cannot think of any other group in history less interested in personal responsibility than the RWNJ army. Then there are the conservatives. They seem quite happy with the present corporate-socialism-wealth system in the US and so not apt to vote for any significant change. I think you are left with only a few young males who just got their first paystub and said “FICA? WTF?” And a few backwoods crazies that are largely uncoupled from society anyways. 

 

Olsonist

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quod umbra said:
And William F. Buckley publicly advocated decriminalizing all drugs.......
It's not a defining subject really, not a bellwether.
You may wish to bring up whether drug legalization is a libertarianism bellwether with Tom; he is the arbiter of all things 'libertarian'. As for Buckley, he is known for the Buckley Rule which defines conservatism rather than libertarianism:

The National Review will support the rightwardmost viable candidate

https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/02/buckley-rule-according-bill-not-karl-neal-b-freeman/

Buckley did however refer to himself as a libertarian, in the same way that Rand Paul said he could wear it as a badge of honor. I don't know that he ever defined libertarianism. Sounds more like a flag of convenience than a badge of honor.

 
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SloopJonB

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Buckley was a pompous ass.

He was the definition of the saying "He was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple".

He was such a pretentious sesquipedalian that he managed to make books about sailing cool boats across oceans almost unreadable.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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He disagrees with me and with the party platform on that one, but differences of opinion are tolerated in some political circles.

Do you have any differences of opinion with Biden at all?

For example, do you like his anti-libertarian position on drug war looting?

Maybe this will help:
His VP sponsored the MORE Act in the Senate which would have decriminalized marijuana. I suppose it could have used some Republican co-sponsors, maybe one from Kentucky, a badge of honor wearing Senator from Kentucky. Maybe your boy Rand. Yeah, maybe not.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/s2227/cosponsors

It passed the 2019 House. Died in Grassley's (!) Finance Committee.

BTW, I notice that your boy Shitstain rescinded the Cole memorandum and that Biden's AG said he'd reinstitute a version of it.
Wow, that's quite the string of distractions, all of which I've mentioned in the relevant thread. That would be, the stupid drug war thread. Rand Paul was worse than Donald Trump OR Hillary Clinton on the stupid drug war during his Presidential campaign, and I said that at the time too. The MORE Act is stuffed with ridiculous, unrelated boondoggling, of course, and seems to me like they're trying to get credit for trying without the horrible possibility of actual success.

The thing is, though they are related, asset forfeiture is not the stupid drug war.

I enjoy new distractions, so I'll ask again:

Do you have any differences of opinion with Biden at all?

For example, do you like his anti-libertarian position on drug war looting?

 

Pertinacious Tom

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A big empty tent. Where do you propose a libertarian movement would find what it needs: adherents and voters? Presently the dreamers seem to think the RWNJ are a ready source. I cannot think of any other group in history less interested in personal responsibility than the RWNJ army. Then there are the conservatives. They seem quite happy with the present corporate-socialism-wealth system in the US and so not apt to vote for any significant change. I think you are left with only a few young males who just got their first paystub and said “FICA? WTF?” And a few backwoods crazies that are largely uncoupled from society anyways. 
Admittedly, finding people who agree that drug war looting is wrong is pretty hard. Supporting it is a good way to get elected President.

Still, popularity doesn't determine what I think is right and I still think drug war looting is wrong.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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You may wish to bring up whether drug legalization is a libertarianism bellwether with Tom; he is the arbiter of all things 'libertarian'. 
It is a very important issue to us. Causes actual libertarians to say stuff like this about people like Rand Paul.

Bernie Sanders has come out against the war on cannabis and now it's looking like the smartest Republican on this issue is...

sigh...

Donald Trump

My reaction: WTF, Rand Paul? You deserve to lose to him just for being slow to realize that libertarians are right on this issue, have been for a long time, and the public is starting to realize it.

 
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