Don't Like Palin?

[Grrr...]

I never realized how little input the "candidates" have into what they actually say.

Excerpted from a CNN.com article:

The Alaska governor on Sunday brought up the recent reports regarding the Republican National Committee's $150,000 spending spree on clothing and accessories for the Palin family.

Palin denounced talks of her wardrobe as "ridiculous" and declared emphatically: "Those clothes, they are not my property."

"Just like the lighting and the staging and everything else that the RNC purchased, I'm not taking them with me," she said at a rally in Tampa, Florida.

A senior McCain adviser told CNN that those comments "were not the remarks we sent to her plane." Palin did not discuss the wardrobe story at her rally in Kissimmee, Florida, later in the day.

A Palin aide, however, told CNN that the governor clearly felt like she had to say something to defend herself, because "that's really not who she is."

Over the weekend, sources told CNN that long-brewing tensions between Palin and key aides to McCain were on the rise.

Several McCain advisers suggested that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue."

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A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.

McCain sources say Palin has gone off-message several times, and they privately wonder whether the incidents were deliberate. They cited an instance in which she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of Michigan.

A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," this McCain adviser said. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."

 

It reads like a bunch of fucking 2 year olds complaining. "Waah, she won't say what we tell her to." "Waah, she's too much of an actual independent person."

I'm stunned that they have that much control over what these folks say - so much so that they get upset when the candidates DON'T say it. So who's really running for president and vice-president on both sides? The people we see.... or the people we don't?

 

[El Mariachi]

I never realized how little input the "candidates" have into what they actually say.
Excerpted from a CNN.com article:

The Alaska governor on Sunday brought up the recent reports regarding the Republican National Committee's $150,000 spending spree on clothing and accessories for the Palin family.

Palin denounced talks of her wardrobe as "ridiculous" and declared emphatically: "Those clothes, they are not my property."

"Just like the lighting and the staging and everything else that the RNC purchased, I'm not taking them with me," she said at a rally in Tampa, Florida.

A senior McCain adviser told CNN that those comments "were not the remarks we sent to her plane." Palin did not discuss the wardrobe story at her rally in Kissimmee, Florida, later in the day.

A Palin aide, however, told CNN that the governor clearly felt like she had to say something to defend herself, because "that's really not who she is."

Over the weekend, sources told CNN that long-brewing tensions between Palin and key aides to McCain were on the rise.

Several McCain advisers suggested that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue."

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A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.

McCain sources say Palin has gone off-message several times, and they privately wonder whether the incidents were deliberate. They cited an instance in which she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of Michigan.

A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," this McCain adviser said. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."

 

It reads like a bunch of fucking 2 year olds complaining. "Waah, she won't say what we tell her to." "Waah, she's too much of an actual independent person."

I'm stunned that they have that much control over what these folks say - so much so that they get upset when the candidates DON'T say it. So who's really running for president and vice-president on both sides? The people we see.... or the people we don't?

Compared to that fuking moron Biden she's a g-damn shoe in next time around. I really feel she has the testicular fortitude to get the Party Du R back on track...........

 

[spankoka]

At this point going rogue might be her best shot. In 2012 the Couric interview may be forgotten and she has from now until then to position herself. The people who think she's a joke underestimate her at their own peril.

 

[Sionna]

So who's really running for president and vice-president on both sides? The people we see.... or the people we don't?

You do remember a guy named Karl Rove, right?

 

[jimbot]

At this point going rogue might be her best shot. In 2012 the Couric interview may be forgotten and she has from now until then to position herself. The people who think she's a joke underestimate her at their own peril.

Has Dean's scream faded away? I swear that I still hear echos of it. :lol:

 

[Rex Bradley]

I don't care about her clothing. What concerns me is "thinking" and then spewing remarks like, "fruit fly research" is a waste of public money. The biggest contribution to genetic research has been that humble fly. Of course, that might lead to stem cell research and we all know that is against god's will.

 

[mr_fabulous]

At this point going rogue might be her best shot. In 2012 the Couric interview may be forgotten and she has from now until then to position herself. The people who think she's a joke underestimate her at their own peril.

Beauty is fleeting. Dumb is forever.

 

[O.M.Farwell]

I have wondered before if the tendency to speak in complete sentences is actually a political liability in this country.

 

[spankoka]

I have to think she has some solid political instincts even if she is obviously no intellectual.

 

[mr_fabulous]

I have wondered before if the tendency to speak in complete sentences is actually a political liability in this country.

Well, its kind of like the war on terror and taking the vote to the people. We just have to have health care reform that makes sense and reflects the will of the people, by reviewing the failed policies of the past 8 years and making sure that corporate greed is placed into check and not hampering business of reform of the stock market, while supporting our troops and stabilizing our economy.

...long pause...

Maverick.

(Wink)

 

[El Mariachi]

I have to think she has some solid political instincts even if she is obviously no intellectual.

She's got 4 years to polish her act----------then go up against Chelsea's mom.

And you thought this election has been a fuking circus?..........

 

[NautiGirl]

I have to think she has some solid political instincts even if she is obviously no intellectual.

She's got 4 years to polish her act----------then go up against Chelsea's mom.

And you thought this election has been a fuking circus?..........

Change that to an 8 instead of a 4. In 2012 she'd be back up against Obama, no question.

 

[Mark K]

I never realized how little input the "candidates" have into what they actually say.
Excerpted from a CNN.com article:

The Alaska governor on Sunday brought up the recent reports regarding the Republican National Committee's $150,000 spending spree on clothing and accessories for the Palin family.

Palin denounced talks of her wardrobe as "ridiculous" and declared emphatically: "Those clothes, they are not my property."

"Just like the lighting and the staging and everything else that the RNC purchased, I'm not taking them with me," she said at a rally in Tampa, Florida.

A senior McCain adviser told CNN that those comments "were not the remarks we sent to her plane." Palin did not discuss the wardrobe story at her rally in Kissimmee, Florida, later in the day.

A Palin aide, however, told CNN that the governor clearly felt like she had to say something to defend herself, because "that's really not who she is."

Over the weekend, sources told CNN that long-brewing tensions between Palin and key aides to McCain were on the rise.

Several McCain advisers suggested that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue."

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Rollins: Palin to be most popular Republican


A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.

McCain sources say Palin has gone off-message several times, and they privately wonder whether the incidents were deliberate. They cited an instance in which she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of Michigan.

A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," this McCain adviser said. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."

 

It reads like a bunch of fucking 2 year olds complaining. "Waah, she won't say what we tell her to." "Waah, she's too much of an actual independent person."

I'm stunned that they have that much control over what these folks say - so much so that they get upset when the candidates DON'T say it. So who's really running for president and vice-president on both sides? The people we see.... or the people we don't?

As I have said before, her talent is undeniable. But she is a total

rookie. So much so that she made her decision to leap to

the national stage and thereby place her political future

in the hands of McCains posse (people she didn't really know)

without knowing the "lay of the land". Now she is beginning to realize this.

She is becoming aware that Schmidt is running an extremely

stupid and slipshod campaign, and sees the need to

seperate herself from as much of it as she can.

The Kristols and Scheunemans in there are probably

encouraging her to do that too.

 

[Bus Driver]

I don't care about her clothing. What concerns me is "thinking" and then spewing remarks like, "fruit fly research" is a waste of public money. The biggest contribution to genetic research has been that humble fly. Of course, that might lead to stem cell research and we all know that is against god's will.

But, we know, courtesy of Caribou Barbie that a natural gas pipeline is God's will.

 

[spankoka]

A pipeline that is going nowhere fast. However it is possible that in 2012 she could be up against an incumbent who has been weakened by four years of economic malaise.

 

[Rail Meat]

1. Every successful campaign involves presenting a coherent, consistent message. The candidates (both Prez and VP) absolutely must stay on message, and coordinate their activies and language to acheive those goals. The candidate is a delivery vehicle for the message, which is why the message itself is so important. Failure to do this makes your campaign look fractured and clumsy, which is exactly what is happening right now to the McCain campaign with Palin going off message. It can happen for other reasons, such as throughout this year when McCain's campaign kept changing the themes of their message, or in the last electoral cycle when Kerry's campaign lost control of their message during the Swift boat attacks. Note that this is not a partisan issue, it is communications issue and one that any candidate from any party can fail out. It just so happens that the McCain campaign is failing at it right now.
   
2. If you think that Palin will be campaigning against Clinton in 2012, you are dreaming. Short of assasination, Obama runs as the democratic incumbent in 12 and the only way Hillary might run is as his VP. Palin is trying very hard right now to fight for her political relevance following this election, but it is not clear that she will survive. Her numbers in her own State are dropping faster than the temperature, and while I think her exposure to the national stage has taught her any number of things, it has also cost her considerable credibility. Bottom line, just like in 2000 the Republicans are going to have to go out in the wilderness and contemplate what went wrong here. There will be sacrices made on the alter of political expediency, and at the end of the day Bush will be blamed for all of it regardless of how much actual blame he should carry (opinions can certainly vary on this last point). Then and only then will they figure out what viable candidates will come forth from the decimated republican bench to carry the banner in 12 and 16. Like any party that has been power for a long run, the bench certainly needs rebuilding and you will likely see that come from the ranks of the governors. I just don't think Palin will be one of those, as I think the Republican's future lies in coming back to the center and espousing the traditional values on spending, the role of government, and maintaining the social values plank but not making it the focal point of their platform. A governor that is untainted by the current administration can start now to build out their credentials on foreign policy and create a state track record on prudent fiscal policy will be the stronger candidate. Unfortunately for Palin, the drop in oil revenues is going to make it challenging for her to repair her reputation as a big spender, she is too well known now as being hard right on the social issues, and she has proven to be pretty clumsy on foreign policy and frankly does not have much of an opportunity to get much better at it despite Alaska's proximity to the frozen ass-end of Russia.
   

Just my two cents.

 

[El Mariachi]

Thanx. I only had a penny's worth..........

 

[Bus Driver]

1. Every successful campaign involves presenting a coherent, consistent message. The candidates (both Prez and VP) absolutely must stay on message, and coordinate their activies and language to acheive those goals. The candidate is a delivery vehicle for the message, which is why the message itself is so important. Failure to do this makes your campaign look fractured and clumsy, which is exactly what is happening right now to the McCain campaign with Palin going off message. It can happen for other reasons, such as throughout this year when McCain's campaign kept changing the themes of their message, or in the last electoral cycle when Kerry's campaign lost control of their message during the Swift boat attacks. Note that this is not a partisan issue, it is communications issue and one that any candidate from any party can fail out. It just so happens that the McCain campaign is failing at it right now.
   
2. 2. If you think that Palin will be campaigning against Clinton in 2012, you are dreaming. Short of assasination, Obama runs as the democratic incumbent in 12 and the only way Hillary might run is as his VP. Palin is trying very hard right now to fight for her political relevance following this election, but it is not clear that she will survive. Her numbers in her own State are dropping faster than the temperature, and while I think her exposure to the national stage has taught her any number of things, it has also cost her considerable credibility. Bottom line, just like in 2000 the Republicans are going to have to go out in the wilderness and contemplate what went wrong here. There will be sacrices made on the alter of political expediency, and at the end of the day Bush will be blamed for all of it regardless of how much actual blame he should carry (opinions can certainly vary on this last point). Then and only then will they figure out what viable candidates will come forth from the decimated republican bench to carry the banner in 12 and 16. Like any party that has been power for a long run, the bench certainly needs rebuilding and you will likely see that come from the ranks of the governors. I just don't think Palin will be one of those, as I think the Republican's future lies in coming back to the center and espousing the traditional values on spending, the role of government, and maintaining the social values plank but not making it the focal point of their platform. A governor that is untainted by the current administration can start now to build out their credentials on foreign policy and create a state track record on prudent fiscal policy will be the stronger candidate. Unfortunately for Palin, the drop in oil revenues is going to make it challenging for her to repair her reputation as a big spender, she is too well known now as being hard right on the social issues, and she has proven to be pretty clumsy on foreign policy and frankly does not have much of an opportunity to get much better at it despite Alaska's proximity to the frozen ass-end of Russia.
   

Just my two cents.

Damn, I like what you say. I think the McCain campaign oughta hire you as a strategist. Perhaps you could work with palin. I am sure she'd just love to have someone on staff with "Meat" as part of their name.

 

[Coiler]

Palin is a political mole hill which McCain has turned into a temporary mountain.

She will erode back to whence she came as soon as the election is over.