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jerseyguy

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Excellent interview on CNN with the lead reporter I missed some of it.  Apparently, there’s an issue with one of the co reporters (source?) which he addressed candidly.  Said he had multiple confirmations with other sources (some law enforcement) and collaborating evidence and he is 100% confident it’s true.

Obviously, it’s an impeachable offense but we all know Trumps done much, much,worse.  I think the dems need to hold off wait for Some other bombs to drop and then drive a stake through his heart.
Would that be a Trump “steak”?

 

bridhb

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A question for you scholars of the constitution:  Say that the latest perjury allegations prove to be true, and seemingly everyone,, including Trump's pending AG,  agrees that this is certainly an impeachable offence.  Say that the Democratic house brings impeachment forward.  Say that finally, although highly unlikely, enough Republican senators become Americans again to give at least a 2/3 vote for conviction.  Can Mitch McCturtle protect the president (and his wife's cushy job with the administration) by not allowing the senate vote for conviction to come to the floor?  I would think that the people from Kentucky that keep him in office would support him if he held it up with the idea that all this was just Trump being a great business genius and that is they voted for him.

Can Mitch stop it like he is stopping the ending of the partial shutdown?

 

Sean

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A question for you scholars of the constitution:  Say that the latest perjury allegations prove to be true, and seemingly everyone,, including Trump's pending AG,  agrees that this is certainly an impeachable offence.  Say that the Democratic house brings impeachment forward.  Say that finally, although highly unlikely, enough Republican senators become Americans again to give at least a 2/3 vote for conviction.  Can Mitch McCturtle protect the president (and his wife's cushy job with the administration) by not allowing the senate vote for conviction to come to the floor?  I would think that the people from Kentucky that keep him in office would support him if he held it up with the idea that all this was just Trump being a great business genius and that is they voted for him.

Can Mitch stop it like he is stopping the ending of the partial shutdown?
Good question. It’s possible that enough GOP Senators conclude that they are headed for a bloodbath in 2020 and take the opportunity to ditch Trump. Tough spot the GOP is in - it seems like a lose/lose situation to me. If they defend Trump, they keep the third of the electorate and lose everybody else. Shitcan him and they risk losing a big chunk of the base.  I can’t think of scenario that produces victories in the next general. 

 

bridhb

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Good question. It’s possible that enough GOP Senators conclude that they are headed for a bloodbath in 2020 and take the opportunity to ditch Trump. Tough spot the GOP is in - it seems like a lose/lose situation to me. If they defend Trump, they keep the third of the electorate and lose everybody else. Shitcan him and they risk losing a big chunk of the base.  I can’t think of scenario that produces victories in the next general. 
I have confidence that the Democrats will figure out the best way to screw it up.  Trump or someone that primaries him, could be in office till 2024.  The overwhelming majority of republicans still support Trump's party and with the status of the electoral college, they could pull off yet another minority win.

 

hermetic

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....... you seem to veer away sharply from the facts......

just exactly who was it that Flynn pled guilty to lying about talking to, Russia or Turkey?

In the timeline GIVEN IN COURT was Flynn working for the Trump campaign during these offenses?

-DSK
flynn gave the speeches in 2015

flynn joined the trump campaign in feb 2016

flynn shutdown his consulting firm in nov 2016

so from the time he joined the campaign until the election, flynn was also consulting for turkey.  not russia, turkey.  i don't know whether his consulting with turkey during the campaign was illegal or not.  he plead guilty to not registering under fara for his turkey consulting work.   I've read nothing that says flynn consulted with the russians during his time with the campaign

flynn spoke to the russian ambassador in dec 2016.  after the election.  he lied about what they discussed, not that the discussion(s) occurred.  I haven't read that anyone serious - like the fbi or mueller - believes this was illegal (ie logan act)

 

billy backstay

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I have confidence that the Democrats will figure out the best way to screw it up.  Trump or someone that primaries him, could be in office till 2024.  The overwhelming majority of republicans still support Trump's party and with the status of the electoral college, they could pull off yet another minority win.


Nothing either party is incapable of, would surprise me, anymore!!

 

Steam Flyer

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flynn gave the speeches in 2015

flynn joined the trump campaign in feb 2016

flynn shutdown his consulting firm in nov 2016

so from the time he joined the campaign until the election, flynn was also consulting for turkey.  not russia, turkey.  i don't know whether his consulting with turkey during the campaign was illegal or not.  he plead guilty to not registering under fara for his turkey consulting work.   I've read nothing that says flynn consulted with the russians during his time with the campaign

flynn spoke to the russian ambassador in dec 2016.  after the election.  he lied about what they discussed, not that the discussion(s) occurred.  I haven't read that anyone serious - like the fbi or mueller - believes this was illegal (ie logan act)
Now you're pretty far into Dog territory.

"flynn was also consulting for turkey.  not russia, turkey" that includes Russia, nyet? So Flynn consulting "for Turkey" does not mean he was NOT consulting for Russia during that time

Also, you and Dog (and a bunch of others, to be fair) are in denial of two basic facts...... the timeline of his offenses, which runs THRU mid-November 2016. In other words, he was continuing to commit these offenses from before that, during the campaign........ second, the fact that Flynn copped a plea to a lesser charge. What Mueller nailed him for is not currently public knowledge, but it's much worse than lying about his contacts or he wouldn't have copped a plea.

-DSK

 

Sean

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I have confidence that the Democrats will figure out the best way to screw it up.  Trump or someone that primaries him, could be in office till 2024.  The overwhelming majority of republicans still support Trump's party and with the status of the electoral college, they could pull off yet another minority win.
Point taken. But the current trend isn’t pretty, and we haven’t heard from Mueller yet. But yeah, anything is possible. 

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phillysailor

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A question for you scholars of the constitution:  Say that the latest perjury allegations prove to be true, and seemingly everyone,, including Trump's pending AG,  agrees that this is certainly an impeachable offence.  Say that the Democratic house brings impeachment forward.  Say that finally, although highly unlikely, enough Republican senators become Americans again to give at least a 2/3 vote for conviction.  Can Mitch McCturtle protect the president (and his wife's cushy job with the administration) by not allowing the senate vote for conviction to come to the floor?  I would think that the people from Kentucky that keep him in office would support him if he held it up with the idea that all this was just Trump being a great business genius and that is they voted for him.

Can Mitch stop it like he is stopping the ending of the partial shutdown?
At that point, given the generous scenario you’ve painted. Mitch would publicly agonize and yet reluctantly accede to the will of the people and be the great, wise statesman.

Keeping a straight face would be natural, but he’d have sensed the turning of the tide by then, and actually be sure of the number of votes to impeach a week or more beforehand.

He has no loyalty to Trump, merely to power. He’s a GOP jackal, waiting for your scenario to tear down his next victim and former boss.

 

bridhb

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At that point, given the generous scenario you’ve painted. Mitch would publicly agonize and yet reluctantly accede to the will of the people and be the great, wise statesman.

Keeping a straight face would be natural, but he’d have sensed the turning of the tide by then, and actually be sure of the number of votes to impeach a week or more beforehand.

He has no loyalty to Trump, merely to power. He’s a GOP jackal, waiting for your scenario to tear down his next victim and former boss.
I think "MSNBC The Last Word" (just watched the youtube vid:   



) answered.  Like indicting a sitting president, the senate majority leader being the only person that can bring a vote before the senate is just a policy.  Tim Caine recently presented a funding bill before the senate for a vote to which Mitch promptly objected.  From there it would have taken a 60 vote majority to bring the bill to a vote.  Or at least that is how I understood it.

 

badlatitude

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Ivanka Trump issues carefully worded denial of BuzzFeed report on Trump Tower Moscow


TRAVIS GETTYS 
18 JAN 2019 AT 09:27 ET 

Ivanka Trump has denied playing a significant role in negotiations of a possible Trump Tower in Moscow in response to a BuzzFeed report about her father allegedly directing attorney Michael Cohen to commit perjury. 

The president’s daughter and senior adviser issued a statement through a spokesperson denying the website’s reporting about her involvement in the project, which Cohen has said remained under negotiation for much longer than he had told Congress. 

“Ms. Trump did not know about this proposal until after a non-binding letter of intent had been signed, never talked to anyone outside the organization about the proposal, never visited the projected project site and was only minimally involved,” the spokesperson said in a statement. 

The website reported that Cohen told special counsel Robert Mueller that he provided details about the Moscow project to the president and his eldest two children, Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. 

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Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/ivanka-trump-issues-carefully-worded-denial-buzzfeed-report-trump-tower-moscow/ 

 

hermetic

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flynn gave the speeches in 2015

flynn joined the trump campaign in feb 2016

flynn shutdown his consulting firm in nov 2016

so from the time he joined the campaign until the election, flynn was also consulting for turkey.  not russia, turkey.  i don't know whether his consulting with turkey during the campaign was illegal or not.  he plead guilty to not registering under fara for his turkey consulting work.   I've read nothing that says flynn consulted with the russians during his time with the campaign

flynn spoke to the russian ambassador in dec 2016.  after the election.  he lied about what they discussed, not that the discussion(s) occurred.  I haven't read that anyone serious - like the fbi or mueller - believes this was illegal (ie logan act)
Now you're pretty far into Dog territory.

"flynn was also consulting for turkey.  not russia, turkey" that includes Russia, nyet? So Flynn consulting "for Turkey" does not mean he was NOT consulting for Russia during that time

Also, you and Dog (and a bunch of others, to be fair) are in denial of two basic facts...... the timeline of his offenses, which runs THRU mid-November 2016. In other words, he was continuing to commit these offenses from before that, during the campaign........ second, the fact that Flynn copped a plea to a lesser charge. What Mueller nailed him for is not currently public knowledge, but it's much worse than lying about his contacts or he wouldn't have copped a plea.
you didn't even read what I wrote.  I can tell because you make the same points that I do, except I'm trying to deal with the offenses (facts) as spelled out in the court filings - not maybes.

 

Steam Flyer

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"flynn was also consulting for turkey.  not russia, turkey" that includes Russia, nyet? So Flynn consulting "for Turkey" does not mean he was NOT consulting for Russia during that time

Also, you and Dog (and a bunch of others, to be fair) are in denial of two basic facts...... the timeline of his offenses, which runs THRU mid-November 2016. In other words, he was continuing to commit these offenses from before that, during the campaign........ second, the fact that Flynn copped a plea to a lesser charge. What Mueller nailed him for is not currently public knowledge, but it's much worse than lying about his contacts or he wouldn't have copped a plea.
you didn't even read what I wrote.  I can  tell because you make the same points that I do, except I'm trying to deal with the offenses (facts) as spelled out in the court filings - not maybes.


You seem to be projecting. I did in fact read what you wrote. I even quoted some of it, I found wisdom and truth in (some of) your words.

They just don't point to the conclusion you're reaching and stretching for. Denying the basic facts of how plea bargains work does not improve your position

-DSK

 

hermetic

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"flynn was also consulting for turkey.  not russia, turkey" that includes Russia, nyet? So Flynn consulting "for Turkey" does not mean he was NOT consulting for Russia during that time

Also, you and Dog (and a bunch of others, to be fair) are in denial of two basic facts...... the timeline of his offenses, which runs THRU mid-November 2016. In other words, he was continuing to commit these offenses from before that, during the campaign........ second, the fact that Flynn copped a plea to a lesser charge. What Mueller nailed him for is not currently public knowledge, but it's much worse than lying about his contacts or he wouldn't have copped a plea.
you didn't even read what I wrote.  I can  tell because you make the same points that I do, except I'm trying to deal with the offenses (facts) as spelled out in the court filings - not maybes.


You seem to be projecting. I did in fact read what you wrote. I even quoted some of it, I found wisdom and truth in (some of) your words.

They just don't point to the conclusion you're reaching and stretching for. Denying the basic facts of how plea bargains work does not improve your position
do you think there is any chance in hell that mueller would allow flynn to plea away conspiring with the russians for a no time charge of lying to the fbi and fara?

 

Bus Driver

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Ivanka Trump issues carefully worded denial of BuzzFeed report on Trump Tower Moscow


TRAVIS GETTYS 
18 JAN 2019 AT 09:27 ET 

Ivanka Trump has denied playing a significant role in negotiations of a possible Trump Tower in Moscow in response to a BuzzFeed report about her father allegedly directing attorney Michael Cohen to commit perjury. 

The president’s daughter and senior adviser issued a statement through a spokesperson denying the website’s reporting about her involvement in the project, which Cohen has said remained under negotiation for much longer than he had told Congress. 

“Ms. Trump did not know about this proposal until after a non-binding letter of intent had been signed, never talked to anyone outside the organization about the proposal, never visited the projected project site and was only minimally involved,” the spokesperson said in a statement. 

The website reported that Cohen told special counsel Robert Mueller that he provided details about the Moscow project to the president and his eldest two children, Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. 

###

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/ivanka-trump-issues-carefully-worded-denial-buzzfeed-report-trump-tower-moscow/ 
Sounds like she, like Giuliani, sees the hammer coming down and is trying to distance herself from the bullseye (I mean, "registration mark").

Sad that it looks like Daddy's little girl is stepping away...

 

Dog

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"The Ohr testimony is also further evidence that the FBI misled the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in its Page warrant application. We already knew the bureau failed to inform the court it knew the dossier had come from a rival campaign. But the FISA application additionally claimed the FBI was “unaware of any derogatory information pertaining” to Mr. Steele, that he was “reliable,” that his “reporting” in this case was “credible.”....

"This testimony has two other implications. First, it further demonstrates the accuracy of the House Intelligence Committee Republicans’ memo of 2018—which noted Mr. Ohr’s role and pointed out that the FBI had not been honest about its knowledge of the dossier and failed to inform the court of Mrs. Ohr’s employment at Fusion GPS. The testimony also destroys any remaining credibility of the Democratic response, in which Mr. Schiff and his colleagues claimed Mr. Ohr hadn’t met with the FBI or told them anything about his wife or about Mr. Steele’s bias until after the election".

https://outline.com/ANjgbL

 

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