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Mrleft8

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Not at all - I *am* observing that if the removal of the President and the VP come about as a result of Mueller's investigation?  That a large part of the populace is not going to believe it, and that they are more likely to blame the incessant plea from the Democrats for Trump's impeachment that began even before he was sworn in.  

The "impeach him" noise has been heard, and will be remembered - and divorcing that from any factual findings will be a very difficult thing to do.  
I know the Chesapeake has some hog farm run off pollution problems, but has that effected your drinking water too?

 

ShortForBob

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Not at all - I *am* observing that if the removal of the President and the VP come about as a result of Mueller's investigation?  That a large part of the populace is not going to believe it, and that they are more likely to blame the incessant plea from the Democrats for Trump's impeachment that began even before he was sworn in.  

The "impeach him" noise has been heard, and will be remembered - and divorcing that from any factual findings will be a very difficult thing to do.  
32% 

 

Mike G

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Not at all - I *am* observing that if the removal of the President and the VP come about as a result of Mueller's investigation?  That a large part of the populace is not going to believe it, and that they are more likely to blame the incessant plea from the Democrats for Trump's impeachment that began even before he was sworn in.  

The "impeach him" noise has been heard, and will be remembered - and divorcing that from any factual findings will be a very difficult thing to do.  
To get a R congress to vote impeachment would require OVER THE TOP evidence.  Hell, there's evidence that he's an immoral, lying narcissist and Congress barely makes a peep.

To get an impeachment vote means the R's have no other option.  They can't change the subject any longer, they can't ignore it, they can't bring up Hilary.

I would hope at that point that it would be obvious to the general public too.  I hope.

 

ShortForBob

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I know the Chesapeake has some hog farm run off pollution problems, but has that effected your drinking water too?
I think he's simply saying that there's a solid 32% of brainwashed cretins that will never take impeachment of trump as anything more than a stitch up.

Of course how actually engaged that 32% will be is another issue.

 

A guy in the Chesapeake

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To get a R congress to vote impeachment would require OVER THE TOP evidence.  Hell, there's evidence that he's an immoral, lying narcissist and Congress barely makes a peep.

To get an impeachment vote means the R's have no other option.  They can't change the subject any longer, they can't ignore it, they can't bring up Hilary.

I would hope at that point that it would be obvious to the general public too.  I hope.
I'm not sure that that's the case - the D's are the majority in the house, and w/the slim majority in the Senate?  I think that there are enough rational thinking Rs who hope to have their seats for a few years after Trump that would go across the aisle if they thought that that was the better long-term play for their personal political ambitions.  

 

Bent Sailor

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Not at all - I *am* observing that if the removal of the President and the VP come about as a result of Mueller's investigation?  That a large part of the populace is not going to believe it, and that they are more likely to blame the incessant plea from the Democrats for Trump's impeachment that began even before he was sworn in.  

 The "impeach him" noise has been heard, and will be remembered - and divorcing that from any factual findings will be a very difficult thing to do.  
I don't disagree with the observation/prediction. Which is why Trump & Pence will never be impeached together. Republicans are well aware of the base they have cultivated, they know the violence they'd bring to the country if pushed hard enough, and they're not going to let themselves become targets of the outrage they've been stoking in them for decades.

If both Pence and Trump are implicated with enough evidence that the GOP cannot ignore it, Pence will be forced to resign, Trump will be forced to appoint someone the GOP can control, and then Trump will either resign or be impeached as the necessary sacrificial goat required to appease the public. The GOP still have their president for now, they accept the next president will be a Democrat, and they hope they get one more SCOTUS appointment before then.

 
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ShortForBob

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Two years until the next election..two years for the Republicans to ditch Trump and Pence and win their old traditional republican base back.

I wouldn't be so confident of a Dem win in 2020. They've shown little solidarity in cleaning their own house out in the last two years. Pelosi may be their best card...she's got Two years to be a voice of reason and unification in a profile that everyone sees nationwide.

 

learningJ24

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Does anybody think, absent live footage of Trump and Pence eating the bodies together, that any type of impeachment could be concluded before '20? Watergate just drug on and on before impeachment slowly solidified toward reality. With all the tools the minority in the House and the majority of the Senate can use to slow the process, unless McConnell decides to throw Trump off the back of the sleigh, there's little chance ousting Trump could be done before the campaigning season begins. It's more likely that the Mueller report will come out and the House will use it's investigation powers to dump a stream of Trumpian waste into the media, making it harder for the thoughtful on the right to defend him. And more likely for him to be primaried. Pence, in that situation, would become a modern day Hubert Humphrey.

 

Dog

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To get a R congress to vote impeachment would require OVER THE TOP evidence.  Hell, there's evidence that he's an immoral, lying narcissist and Congress barely makes a peep.

To get an impeachment vote means the R's have no other option.  They can't change the subject any longer, they can't ignore it, they can't bring up Hilary.

I would hope at that point that it would be obvious to the general public too.  I hope.
What would it take for Democrats to vote against impeachment given that they are campaigning for it prior to having a case at all?

 

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Sol Rosenberg

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Does anybody think, absent live footage of Trump and Pence eating the bodies together, that any type of impeachment could be concluded before '20? Watergate just drug on and on before impeachment slowly solidified toward reality. With all the tools the minority in the House and the majority of the Senate can use to slow the process, unless McConnell decides to throw Trump off the back of the sleigh, there's little chance ousting Trump could be done before the campaigning season begins. It's more likely that the Mueller report will come out and the House will use it's investigation powers to dump a stream of Trumpian waste into the media, making it harder for the thoughtful on the right to defend him. And more likely for him to be primaried. Pence, in that situation, would become a modern day Hubert Humphrey.
The thoughtful on the right didn’t vote for him last time. It is Trump’s Party now. Pick any of the Faithful here; do you see them turning away from Trump for anything in the Mueller report other than a party switch back to the democRAT Party?  No way. 

 

kent_island_sailor

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You think you heard hateful when Hillary was running?  if this comes to be, that'll be mild discontent in comparison, I'd expect fighting in the streets.   
Why? Seriously?

I really don't folllow Mrs. Pelosi all that much. I get the hate machine is being turned on her now that Hillary is not running for anything, but what fictional or non-fictional horrible crime does all the Right think she did?

I know the shtick with Hillary was she was a socialist who hated the country and would destroy the economy and democracy in general as soon as she was sworn in. What is Nancy's deal? Mandatory castration? Have to watch goat porn? What?

 

ShortForBob

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Why? Seriously?

I really don't folllow Mrs. Pelosi all that much. I get the hate machine is being turned on her now that Hillary is not running for anything, but what fictional or non-fictional horrible crime does all the Right think she did?

I know the shtick with Hillary was she was a socialist who hated the country and would destroy the economy and democracy in general as soon as she was sworn in. What is Nancy's deal? Mandatory castration? Have to watch goat porn? What?
You really need to ask?

 

Ease the sheet.

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Not at all - I *am* observing that if the removal of the President and the VP come about as a result of Mueller's investigation?  That a large part of the populace is not going to believe it, and that they are more likely to blame the incessant plea from the Democrats for Trump's impeachment that began even before he was sworn in.  

The "impeach him" noise has been heard, and will be remembered - and divorcing that from any factual findings will be a very difficult thing to do.  
If trump is impeached or jailed or whatever., surely the democrat calls are proven to be correct?

Surely the current list of indictments, guilty pleas and sentences show corruption?

 

Ishmael

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To get a R congress to vote impeachment would require OVER THE TOP evidence.  Hell, there's evidence that he's an immoral, lying narcissist and Congress barely makes a peep.

To get an impeachment vote means the R's have no other option.  They can't change the subject any longer, they can't ignore it, they can't bring up Hilary.

I would hope at that point that it would be obvious to the general public too.  I hope.
If the general public are anything like Not Guilty they will *never* accept it.

 

Ease the sheet.

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Why? Seriously?

I really don't folllow Mrs. Pelosi all that much. I get the hate machine is being turned on her now that Hillary is not running for anything, but what fictional or non-fictional horrible crime does all the Right think she did?

I know the shtick with Hillary was she was a socialist who hated the country and would destroy the economy and democracy in general as soon as she was sworn in. What is Nancy's deal? Mandatory castration? Have to watch goat porn? What?
She stands between power and those that believe such power is their divine right

 

Sol Rosenberg

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Female. DemocRAT. She could really fetch some hate if she was black, but I don’t reckon she’ll be wearing blackface anytime soon. 

 

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