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Dog

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Dog - answer a simple question please.

Assume that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are criminals.

Do you think:

A - The FBI was bad in letting Clinton and her minions get away with crimes and we should be glad they reformed themselves and are going after Trump.

B - Since Mrs. Clinton was allowed a free pass to get away with crimes, it is only fair that Mr. Trump also be allowed to get away with crimes.
I'll go with A.

Should the FBI be treated like they treated the Clinton campaign or like they treated The Trump campaign?

 

Sean

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George Conway thinks this issue raised by The New Yorker is a bit problematic -
 







https://mobile.twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1102544748886310913







 
“If proven, such an attempt to use presidential authority to seek retribution for the exercise of First Amendment rights would unquestionably be grounds for impeachment.”




https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/11/the-making-of-the-fox-news-white-house

Very good but very long article even by New Yorker standards. Below is the relevant bit that bothers Conway.

Excerpt -

The day after the Justice Department filed suit to stop it, he declared the proposed merger “not good for the country.” Trump also claimed that he was “not going to get involved,” and the Justice Department has repeatedly assured the public that he hasn’t done so.

However, in the late summer of 2017, a few months before the Justice Department filed suit, Trump ordered Gary Cohn, then the director of the National Economic Council, to pressure the Justice Department to intervene. According to a well-informed source, Trump called Cohn into the Oval Office along with John Kelly, who had just become the chief of staff, and said in exasperation to Kelly, “I’ve been telling Cohn to get this lawsuit filed and nothing’s happened! I’ve mentioned it fifty times. And nothing’s happened. I want to make sure it’s filed. I want that deal blocked!”

Cohn, a former president of Goldman Sachs, evidently understood that it would be highly improper for a President to use the Justice Department to undermine two of the most powerful companies in the country as punishment for unfavorable news coverage, and as a reward for a competing news organization that boosted him. According to the source, as Cohn walked out of the meeting he told Kelly, “Don’t you fucking dare call the Justice Department. We are not going to do business that way.”

A spokesperson for Cohn declined to comment, and Kelly did not respond to inquiries from The New Yorker, but a former White House official confirmed that Trump often “vented” in “frustration” about wanting to block the A. T. & T.-Time Warner merger. “The President does not understand the nuances of antitrust law or policy,” the former official says. “But he wanted to bring down the hammer.” (Last month, a federal court ruled against the Justice Department.)

Trump Administration officials say that political considerations did not guide the government’s actions on the three deals. Blair Levin, the former F.C.C. official, told me, “There may be innocent explanations.” But, he adds, “Trump famously said you’re going to get sick and tired of winning, and that may not be true for the rest of America, but it sure is true of Murdoch.” He says of Murdoch, “He’s an incredibly cunning political player. He leaves no fingerprints. He’s been in the game of influencing government behavior to his benefit longer than most of us have been alive.”

 

Olsonist

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I don't have to imagine national secrets showing up on Carlos Danger's sexting computer.

Now imagine they find national secrets on Stones computer. Think that would be swepted under the rug?
Confidential. The ranking goes restricted, confidential, secret and top secret. So you'd have to imagine national secret.

As for your boy Stone, no, I don't expect to find any national secrets on his computer. I expect to find evidence of a crime. That and a lot of porn. "We find it on all these guys, whether they're in Somalia, Iraq, or Afghanistan". Or Fort Lauderdale.

 

Sol Rosenberg

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Confidential. The ranking goes restricted, confidential, secret and top secret. So you'd have to imagine national secret.

As for your boy Stone, no, I don't expect to find any national secrets on his computer. I expect to find evidence of a crime. That and a lot of porn. "We find it on all these guys, whether they're in Somalia, Iraq, or Afghanistan". Or Fort Lauderdale.
Ft. Lauderdale and George Washington U.  That SOB just had to leave his stink on the good stuff.  At least GW is still undefeated in football. 

 

phillysailor

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Good OpEd in the NYT laying out how Giuliani’s example with la Cosa Nostra lays the groundwork for charging Trump’s organizations with RICO violations.

A pattern of defrauding charitable organizations, defrauding investors, failing to pay contractors, hiring illegal aliens and tax fraud could be combined with obstructing justice, stopping mergers (like AT&T) for personal or political gain and suborning perjury while in office.

The RICO style investigation reduces the barriers needed to find direct evidence of orders from Trump to his officers: as both Comey and now Cohen have testified... the president got others to do his bidding via innuendo and setting and phrases like “I hope you can let this go,” “I need your loyalty”.

 

kent_island_sailor

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George Conway thinks this issue raised by The New Yorker is a bit problematic -
 







 







 
“If proven, such an attempt to use presidential authority to seek retribution for the exercise of First Amendment rights would unquestionably be grounds for impeachment.”
Not really. Running a stop sign is grounds for impeachment if the Senate thinks it is and running up and down 5th Avenue shooting people in the head isn't if the Senate thinks it isn't and so far as I can tell there is absolutely nothing the Senate thinks is impeachable.

 

phillysailor

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The House Judiciary Committee is getting serious.

They just requested information and documents related to Trump efforts to obstruct justice from 81 individuals, entities and federal organizations.

According to NPR:

“Many of those figures linked to the Trump Organization were named on Monday's list of document requests, including Trump Organization Executive Vice President Donald Trump, Jr, Chief Operating Officer Matthew Calamari, Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg, General Counsel Alan Garten and longtime Trump executive assistant Rhona Graff. 

But the panel also demanded documents from other figures unrelated to the Trump Organization — an indication on the broad scope of the Judiciary committee's investigation. 

The panel is seeking documents from entities as diverse as Cambridge Analytica, WikiLeaks, the Trump Foundation, the Justice Department. the White House and the National Rifle Association. “

 

phillysailor

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Hmmm, seems Christie is still pissed off by the ratfuck  that was the so-called “transition” under Trump.

He came out and said that Trumps dishonesty regarding his his kids got security clearances was “indefensible,” according to Politico.

 

phillysailor

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And in a move that surprises absolutely no one, Andrew Whitaker who temporarily was our Attorney General, has decided to leave government service, but not DC.

NBC NEWS reports:

“His next career move is unknown, but Whitaker has told friends that he will remain in Washington because there are "many opportunities here," according to sources who have spoken with him in recent days.”

 

Sean

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81 individuals, entities and federal organizations.
https://judiciary.house.gov/story-type/letter/house-judiciary-committee-document-requests-3419

  1. Alan Garten (letterdocument requests
  2. Alexander Nix (letterdocument requests
  3. Allen Weisselberg (letterdocument requests
  4. American Media Inc (letterdocument requests)
  5. Anatoli Samochornov (letterdocument requests)
  6. Andrew Intrater (letterdocument requests)
  7. Annie Donaldson (letterdocument requests)
  8. Brad Parscale (letterdocument requests)
  9. Brittany Kaiser (letterdocument requests)
  10. Cambridge Analytica (letterdocument requests
  11. Carter Page (letter, document requests)
  12. Columbus Nova (letterdocument requests)
  13. Concord Management and Consulting (letterdocument requests)
  14. Corey Lewandowski (letterdocument requests)
  15. David Pecker (letterdocument requests)
  16. Department of Justice (letterdocument requests)
  17. Don McGahn (letterdocument requests
  18. Donald J Trump Revocable Trust (letterdocument requests
  19. Donald Trump Jr. (letterdocument requests
  20. Dylan Howard (letterdocument requests)
  21. Eric Trump (letterdocument requests)
  22. Erik Prince (letterdocument requests)
  23. Federal Bureau of Investigation (letter,document requests)
  24. Felix Sater (letterdocument requests)
  25. Flynn Intel Group (letterdocument requests)
  26. General Services Administration (letterdocument requests)
  27. George Nader (letterdocument requests)
  28. George Papadopoulos (letterdocument requests)
  29. Hope Hicks (letterdocument requests)
  30. Irakly Kaveladze (letterdocument requests)
  31. Jared Kushner (letterdocument requests)
  32. Jason Maloni (letterdocument requests)
  33. Jay Sekulow (letterdocument requests)
  34. Jeff Sessions (letterdocument requests)
  35. Jerome Corsi (letterdocument requests)
  36. John Szobocsan (letterdocument requests)
  37. Julian Assange (letterdocument requests)
  38. Julian David Wheatland (letterdocument requests)
  39. Keith Davidson (letterdocument requests)
  40. KT McFarland (letterdocument requests)
  41. Mark Corallo (letterdocument requests)
  42. Matt Tait (letterdocument requests)
  43. Matthew Calamari (letterdocument requests)
  44. Michael Caputo (letterdocument requests)
  45. Michael Cohen (letterdocument requests)
  46. Michael Flynn (letterdocument requests)
  47. Michael Flynn Jr (letterdocument requests)
  48. Paul Erickson (letterdocument requests)
  49. Paul Manafort (letterdocument requests)
  50. Peter Smith (Estate) (letterdocument requests)
  51. Randy Credico (letterdocument requests)
  52. Reince Priebus (letterdocument requests)
  53. Rhona Graff (letterdocument requests)
  54. Rinat Akhmetshin (letterdocument requests)
  55. Rob Goldstone (letterdocument requests)
  56. Roger Stone (letter, document requests)
  57. Ronald Lieberman (letterdocument requests)
  58. Sam Nunberg (letterdocument requests)
  59. SCL Group Limited (letterdocument requests)
  60. Sean Spicer (letterdocument requests)
  61. Sheri Dillon (letterdocument requests)
  62. Stefan Passantino (letterdocument requests)
  63. Steve Bannon (letterdocument requests)
  64. Ted Malloch (letterdocument requests)
  65. The White House (letterdocument requests)
  66. Trump Campaign (letterdocument requests)
  67. Trump Foundation (letterdocument requests)
  68. Trump Organization (letterdocument requests)
  69. Trump Transition (letterdocument requests)
  70. Viktor Vekselberg (letterdocument requests)
  71. Wikileaks (letterdocument requests)
  72. 58th Presidential Inaugural Committee (letterdocument requests
  73. Christopher Bancroft Burnham (letterdocument requests)
  74. Frontier Services Group (letterdocument requests)
  75. J.D. Gordon (letterdocument requests)
  76. Kushner Companies (letter, document requests)
  77. NRA (letterdocument requests)
  78. Rick Gates (letter, document requests)
  79. Tom Barrack (letterdocument requests)
  80. Tom Bossert (letterdocument requests)
  81. Tony Fabrizio (letterdocument requests)
 

Left Shift

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https://judiciary.house.gov/story-type/letter/house-judiciary-committee-document-requests-3419

  1. Alan Garten (letterdocument requests
  2. Alexander Nix (letterdocument requests
  3. Allen Weisselberg (letterdocument requests
  4. American Media Inc (letterdocument requests)
  5. Anatoli Samochornov (letterdocument requests)
  6. Andrew Intrater (letterdocument requests)
  7. Annie Donaldson (letterdocument requests)
  8. Brad Parscale (letterdocument requests)
  9. Brittany Kaiser (letterdocument requests)
  10. Cambridge Analytica (letterdocument requests
  11. Carter Page (letter, document requests)
  12. Columbus Nova (letterdocument requests)
  13. Concord Management and Consulting (letterdocument requests)
  14. Corey Lewandowski (letterdocument requests)
  15. David Pecker (letterdocument requests)
  16. Department of Justice (letterdocument requests)
  17. Don McGahn (letterdocument requests
  18. Donald J Trump Revocable Trust (letterdocument requests
  19. Donald Trump Jr. (letterdocument requests
  20. Dylan Howard (letterdocument requests)
  21. Eric Trump (letterdocument requests)
  22. Erik Prince (letterdocument requests)
  23. Federal Bureau of Investigation (letter,document requests)
  24. Felix Sater (letterdocument requests)
  25. Flynn Intel Group (letterdocument requests)
  26. General Services Administration (letterdocument requests)
  27. George Nader (letterdocument requests)
  28. George Papadopoulos (letterdocument requests)
  29. Hope Hicks (letterdocument requests)
  30. Irakly Kaveladze (letterdocument requests)
  31. Jared Kushner (letterdocument requests)
  32. Jason Maloni (letterdocument requests)
  33. Jay Sekulow (letterdocument requests)
  34. Jeff Sessions (letterdocument requests)
  35. Jerome Corsi (letterdocument requests)
  36. John Szobocsan (letterdocument requests)
  37. Julian Assange (letterdocument requests)
  38. Julian David Wheatland (letterdocument requests)
  39. Keith Davidson (letterdocument requests)
  40. KT McFarland (letterdocument requests)
  41. Mark Corallo (letterdocument requests)
  42. Matt Tait (letterdocument requests)
  43. Matthew Calamari (letterdocument requests)
  44. Michael Caputo (letterdocument requests)
  45. Michael Cohen (letterdocument requests)
  46. Michael Flynn (letterdocument requests)
  47. Michael Flynn Jr (letterdocument requests)
  48. Paul Erickson (letterdocument requests)
  49. Paul Manafort (letterdocument requests)
  50. Peter Smith (Estate) (letterdocument requests)
  51. Randy Credico (letterdocument requests)
  52. Reince Priebus (letterdocument requests)
  53. Rhona Graff (letterdocument requests)
  54. Rinat Akhmetshin (letterdocument requests)
  55. Rob Goldstone (letterdocument requests)
  56. Roger Stone (letter, document requests)
  57. Ronald Lieberman (letterdocument requests)
  58. Sam Nunberg (letterdocument requests)
  59. SCL Group Limited (letterdocument requests)
  60. Sean Spicer (letterdocument requests)
  61. Sheri Dillon (letterdocument requests)
  62. Stefan Passantino (letterdocument requests)
  63. Steve Bannon (letterdocument requests)
  64. Ted Malloch (letterdocument requests)
  65. The White House (letterdocument requests)
  66. Trump Campaign (letterdocument requests)
  67. Trump Foundation (letterdocument requests)
  68. Trump Organization (letterdocument requests)
  69. Trump Transition (letterdocument requests)
  70. Viktor Vekselberg (letterdocument requests)
  71. Wikileaks (letterdocument requests)
  72. 58th Presidential Inaugural Committee (letterdocument requests
  73. Christopher Bancroft Burnham (letterdocument requests)
  74. Frontier Services Group (letterdocument requests)
  75. J.D. Gordon (letterdocument requests)
  76. Kushner Companies (letter, document requests)
  77. NRA (letterdocument requests)
  78. Rick Gates (letter, document requests)
  79. Tom Barrack (letterdocument requests)
  80. Tom Bossert (letterdocument requests)
  81. Tony Fabrizio (letterdocument requests)
No Calamari !!!????   Ooops, no there he is.  #43.

Who alphabetizes by first name?

At any rate, it certainly looks like a full employment program for lawyers.

 
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A guy in the Chesapeake

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The House Judiciary Committee is getting serious.

They just requested information and documents related to Trump efforts to obstruct justice from 81 individuals, entities and federal organizations.

According to NPR:

“Many of those figures linked to the Trump Organization were named on Monday's list of document requests, including Trump Organization Executive Vice President Donald Trump, Jr, Chief Operating Officer Matthew Calamari, Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg, General Counsel Alan Garten and longtime Trump executive assistant Rhona Graff. 

But the panel also demanded documents from other figures unrelated to the Trump Organization — an indication on the broad scope of the Judiciary committee's investigation. 

The panel is seeking documents from entities as diverse as Cambridge Analytica, WikiLeaks, the Trump Foundation, the Justice Department. the White House and the National Rifle Association. “
The sole intent and purpose of asking Cohen to testify was to find more holes to fish in  -  it'll be interesting to compare how the Judiciary Committee approaches this task w/the way that Mueller has executed his responsibilities. 

 

Left Shift

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Not really. Running a stop sign is grounds for impeachment if the Senate thinks it is and running up and down 5th Avenue shooting people in the head isn't if the Senate thinks it isn't and so far as I can tell there is absolutely nothing the Senate thinks is impeachable.
Not that the Senate has jack-all to do with impeachment.  Which occurs in the House. 

Now as far as conviction, so far as I can tell there is absolutely nothing the Senate thinks is worthy of conviction.

 

kent_island_sailor

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Not that the Senate has jack-all to do with impeachment.  Which occurs in the House. 

Now as far as conviction, so far as I can tell there is absolutely nothing the Senate thinks is worthy of conviction.
That is what I meant - thanks for the clarification. IMHO the House is working on the embarrassment principle, i.e that they will hit on something so blatant the Senate will HAVE to convict. IMHO that is doomed to fail, they are far beyond embarrassment now.

 
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