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[Mrleft8]

He still is. He served our country and read the Mueller report. He’s our countryman who disagrees with many of us much of the time and agrees with many of us much of the time. 

I see someone wrestling with the path the gop is taking the country down and really wrestling with the notion that the democrats can kick us back onto a proud path. I wrestle with exactly those same demons so perhaps I am projecting. 

I tend to agree with you, in general, but it seems that much like Trump, the more AGITC is tested, the more he lashes out...... I see that he's just posted so, I'll stop now.

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

I phrased the question poorly - it was really two questions. I’m more interested to know if Trump has been disqualified in your view. Are there any circumstances under which you would pull the lever for Trump? Not voting is also an option.

Fair enough Sean, I didnt vote for Trump in 2016, though I admit hoping for much better than he's given us.  I'd hoped he would grow into the position, and he's disappointed me at every opportunity.  I cant see me changing my mind to support him with this additional bad water under the bridge. 

 

[Mrleft8]

Are you obtuse? I didnt vote for him in 2016, why would you think that'd change now? 

No, I'm not obtuse. I'm observant.

 I have no idea who you voted for in 2016, but your comments tend to indicate that you favor Trump in 2020.

 On that note, I'm off to the land of nod. Nytol!

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

I tend to agree with you, in general, but it seems that much like Trump, the more AGITC is tested, the more he lashes out...... I see that he's just posted so, I'll stop now.

If "testing" equates to being subjected to baseless, BS allegations of bad intent? I'll accept your comment.  Try it a while, I think you'd find your patience wearing thin as well. 

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

No, I'm not obtuse. I'm observant.

 I have no idea who you voted for in 2016, but your comments tend to indicate that you favor Trump in 2020.

 On that note, I'm off to the land of nod. Nytol!

Then you aren't paying attention, I've said many times who I voted for - Mickey Mouse. 

 

[Sean]

Fair enough Sean, I didnt vote for Trump in 2016, though I admit hoping for much better than he's given us.  I'd hoped he would grow into the position, and he's disappointed me at every opportunity.  I cant see me changing my mind to support him with this additional bad water under the bridge. 

For me, given what we now know about the man, I would lose all respect for anyone who votes for him in 2020.

Hillary, as bad a candidate as she was, it turns out she wasn’t worse.

 

[Happy]

Just watched today's Trump on Iran newsclip. Thinly-veiled threats of nuking 'em: "no boots on the ground.....wouldn't take long at all..."

I was struck by his hair. The top combover-back bit is poofed out and curled at the sides, a bit like candyfloss. The bastard must be using industrial epoxy to keep that shit in place.

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

He still is. He served our country and read the Mueller report. He’s our countryman who disagrees with many of us much of the time and agrees with many of us much of the time. 

I see someone wrestling with the path the gop is taking the country down and really wrestling with the notion that the democrats can kick us back onto a proud path. I wrestle with exactly those same demons so perhaps I am projecting. 

Thanks for that Counselor - I'd like to add a little to your observation:  I'd like *anyone* to get us back on to a proud path - and rather than "wrestling w/the notion that the Ds can do it" - I'd suggest that I'm at a place where I'm listening, and not hearing much from anyone that makes me feel like their prescribed approach will get us there. 

 

[justsomeguy!]

I'd like *anyone* to get us back on to a proud path 

That'd take some major denial...

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

That'd take some major denial...

??????

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Thanks for that Counselor - I'd like to add a little to your observation:  I'd like *anyone* to get us back on to a proud path - and rather than "wrestling w/the notion that the Ds can do it" - I'd suggest that I'm at a place where I'm listening, and not hearing much from anyone that makes me feel like their prescribed approach will get us there. 

I think it is way too early for knowing who can get us on a proud path, but for me it, for starters,  it would mean comprehensive immigration reform to spur legal immigration and an end to policies designed to hurt people as deterrence, just for the sake of making shitty people feel like they are better than someone. 

It would mean ensuring equal rights for everyone and protecting voting rights with draconian penalties. That’s where I’d have deterrence. Release kids from prison who got busted for small marijuana crimes and make room for gerrymanderers who dilute votes, scumbags who bump people off the voting rolls, people who do caging lists, who do fake phone calls to keep people from voting, and then I would replace Columbus Day holiday with voting day and make it a national holiday. Any country caught interfering in our elections gets all of their assets seized and forfeiture proceedings started. 

That would leave some more prison space, which could be filled by the CEO of any company making a contribution to a political campaign, once we outlaw any donations (gee, we didn’t hear much about Those last night did we) from anyone not registered to vote in a candidate’s chosen district. 

Then some general stuff. Seek to be the highest common denominator instead of the lowest. This would include but by no means be limited to having a president who doesn’t insult one of our allies Every Fucking Time he is packing up to go visit that ally. You can set your watch by this dickhead doing that now. 

We should push our neo Nazis and other white supremacists back under their rocks and let them return to talking tough on Stormfront  

I think we should return to being an example of what other countries should aspire to be, not the opposite. 

We should exhibit a modicum of fucking decency instead of exalting in indecency at the expense of the lives of those less fortunate. 

For starters. 

 

[justsomeguy!]

??????

Perhaps I'm being too hard on America's recent past?

Ah, I see Sol's weighed in with some stuff that'll probably never happen also.

 

[Cal20sailor]

Sol, 

I agree completely, particularly your correct use of ensure vs insure...so wrong.  I've been watching the news and Texas is pushing Florida for #1 in the stupid parade.  

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

Perhaps I'm being too hard on America's recent past?

Ah, I see Sol's weighed in with some stuff that'll probably never happen also.

I simply don't understand what you mean by your denial comment. 

 

[justsomeguy!]

I simply don't understand what you mean by your denial comment. 

There will be no "proud path" for America.

Go ahead and deny it.

 

[Olsonist]

C Corps have been berry berry good to me (and are likely to be even more better) but they have no place in the body politic.

Treat guns like cars.

Voting and voting rights should be federalized.

Get rid of the Electoral College.

Small states should get relegated.

 

[Cal20sailor]

I simply don't understand what you mean by your denial comment. 

A rainbow should have been attached.  

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

There will be no "proud path" for America.

Go ahead and deny it.

I think you're wrong, and think I have a bit more faith in the average person than you do - but, that's why we discuss things, isn't it? 

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

C Corps have been berry berry good to me (and are likely to be even more better) but they have no place in the body politic.

Treat guns like cars.

Voting and voting rights should be federalized.

Get rid of the Electoral College.

Small states should get relegated.

The last two indicate that you really aren't interested in fairness, or in protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority, but, hey, that's how you roll.  I'll oppose that - and one of us might end up happy.  

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

In case you missed it the Supreme Court via those wonderful Conservative jurists that you thought were necessary said today the Constitution isn't interested in that either.

So - now you're opposed to the constitutional relegation of authority to the states?   Not a big surprise, really.