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floater said:
ps: its true. although I guess the cure is just to leave it home. not sure this design gonna age too well..

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ok how are you supposed to see the  those instruments on the right hand side when you're on the tiller?  there's no way...

with the cabin cockpit windows there's no real place to put any sort of electronics that you'd want to see..

a hand held compass mounted above the companionway?    where's the chart plotter going to go?

 
HypnoToad

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Is that a self tacking jib track on the foredeck? All the sailing photos show the jib led much further aft? 

What a strange mix of sailing elements. The Hyena of sailboats.

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If they were one of your advertisers you would have given it rave reviews. You race an old Ericson, please look in the mirror! Bet you wish you had this one.....it's a little bigger than you POS.  Fender included....

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Okay. The floaty thingy on the back is clearly an accessory and can be removed easily. I get that. Appeals to the wake boarding crowd.

But everything else that has been pointed out (Lack of primary wenches, wacky mainsheet/traveler routing, hundreds of feet of line stacked up around the companionway, unused jib sail track forward of the mast, jib sheets led to cab top wenches through rope clutches, walking on the cockpit table, navigation and engine instruments way aft of tiller facing aft,.....etc.) make the boat look totally unsorted.

Like they got a team together to dream up ideas and allowed them to throw them all in the design because they didn't want to insult anybody if they nixed. Let the consumer sort it out I guess. 

 
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Is the main sheet bent - fouled by the assy sheet?
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Came here to mention the same thing.  Either rubbing on the asym sheet, or the edge of the seat is going to be chafe city. 

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This is pretty standard fare amongest the competition. The horrible looking inflatable bits are really the only new thing here - but they are not really permanent fixtures or essential parts of the boat.

Just understand what modern 32' high volume production boats look like - a large amount of them which also come from France - e.g. this looks a lot like the 2014 Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349 (also 32'). That boat has fat head main, twin wheels, multiple keel options, low friction rings for jib sheet leads etc. So does a Pogo 30 for that matter - different beast, same features (okay, maybe twin tillers, not a wheel option).

You can be sure this will be sold with lots of options - wheels, self tacker, drop down (conventional transom), table (or not), fathead/pinhead or in-mast reefing. And there looks to be a winch plinth under the helm cushion - so I guess that is where the kite's sheet lead should really go - if you got that option.

A big market for this is not the round the cans folks - it is the charter market. And that market (might) well love that awful blow up transom.... The only thing they missed was going BIG as the superyacht crowd seem to love https://www.superyachtmarinestore.com/inflatable-sea-pool/

 
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Bilge Boy said:
The horrible looking inflatable bits are .. not really permanent fixtures..
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they are not. my inflatable SUPs came with big warnings "do not leave in sun". I've been rendered kind of speechless at the thought that the boom wings are vinyl. are they really?

and as for making a transom platform out of a floating board - it doesn't work. anybody who's stepped from their boat onto a SUP knows what I'm talking about.

 
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Bilge Boy said:
This is pretty standard fare amongest the competition. The horrible looking inflatable bits are really the only new thing here - but they are not really permanent fixtures or essential parts of the boat.

Just understand what modern 32' high volume production boats look like - a large amount of them which also come from France - e.g. this looks a lot like the 2014 Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349 (also 32'). That boat has fat head main, twin wheels, multiple keel options, low friction rings for jib sheet leads etc. So does a Pogo 30 for that matter - different beast, same features (okay, maybe twin tillers, not a wheel option).

You can be sure this will be sold with lots of options - wheels, self tacker, drop down (conventional transom), table (or not), fathead/pinhead or in-mast reefing. And there looks to be a winch plinth under the helm cushion - so I guess that is where the kite's sheet lead should really go - if you got that option.

A big market for this is not the round the cans folks - it is the charter market. And that market (might) well love that awful blow up transom.... The only thing they missed was going BIG as the superyacht crowd seem to love https://www.superyachtmarinestore.com/inflatable-sea-pool/
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I was going to argue the opposite.   From Annapolis and occasional perusing of builders' sites looking for a dream retirement boat (i.e. a small cruising boat not limited by the requirement to be tailorable, but not a live aboard or floating condo with staterooms for the kids and berths for grandkids.   Like housing and cars (at least in the states), the builders seem to have the philosophy 'if they can afford nice, they can afford bigger.  So lets make it bigger and not as nice'.   It was nice to see a smallish new cruiser being designed.   I'd like to play with one, to see how astute the ergonomic observations above are, but I kind of like it.   

What's the CE certification?   

 
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To he honest, I like the boat too if I treat the inflatable bit at the back as a beach toy that only gets blown up once a year if I was lucky with the weather around here - but might be great fun for a different kind of sailing. The rest I like but would interested to know how it performed. It reminds me a little of the short-lived First 30 - but probably aspiring to be more of a cruiser from day 1. It seems to be just splashed so no real info on CE categories or options on the public Dufour website. 

But hey, it's not like I am rushing out to buy a brand new boat any day soon, so other than chartering,  maybe I am not the market!

 
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Is this initial glossy advertising campaign perhaps relying on the gaudy mantra of “Any publicity is good publicity”?
 

Or perhaps targeting the OCD market amongst us that look at it and think: “If i could get that cheap enough, i could fix that stuff easily”?

Like the quiet,shy geeky girl with the strange fashion sense and the coke bottle glasses that everybody looks past….Maybe theres a wicked sexy freak hidden in there,worth getting to know, just waiting, untamed…………..

But yeah probably not, probably just more stubbed toes,barked shins and ply splinters from the furnishings blended with chafed cordage from poor CAD design choices and hurried advertising photoshoot deadlines.

 
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good find. mystery solved. and so after all, this was just an exercise in marketing..

I'll admit I was initially taken in by the tiller, sprit, a-sails, but the old boat seems a more honest and better thought out version. Makes one wonder if any of these novelties will carry forward: inflatable transom platform (not likely), loss of primaries for butt pads (not likely), giant cockpit table stored underfoot (not likely), inflatable boom wings (not likely), jib sheets managed via block and tackle (interesting, but having a block system lying on the deck doesn't seem right), and the main sheet - still not sure what is going on there..

 
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