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Foredeck Shuffle

Foredeck Shuffle

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I'm not knocking it. Having pulled a Pro-Start from a sportboat to play with on a Laser to practice with starting, I improved my placing within line sag considerably. I get it. I also used the speed over ground to help with improving the time I took to get back to max speed and get closer to the edge of what I should be doing until I had more of a feel for it when racing. Improved results in a 40-70 boat fleet much more quickly than years of practice without electronics. So even in a class without electronics I'll use it during practice and in mixed fleets to improve performance in the OD.

I think folks that believe that electronics must be pushed back on are trying to push back water on a tide.
 
Roller Skates

Roller Skates

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Foredeck Shuffle said:
I think folks that believe that electronics must be pushed back on are trying to push back water on a tide.
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It feels like one of those ideal rules, where it's trying to "save" what we remember about the sport, verus what we like. My foredecker showed me that he was more than capable doing everything the Vakaros was doing from his watch, and that made me agree. There's no going back.

That said, my starts improved massively this winter when my unit died mid-regatta, and I forced to focus on keeping keel speed and staying bow out around the compasses around me. There's still an analog game to be played the other way. It isn't AI sailing, yet...
 
Foredeck Shuffle

Foredeck Shuffle

More of a Stoic Cynic, Anarchy Sounds Exhausting
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Stuck On The Start Pin
Roller Skates said:
It feels like one of those ideal rules, where it's trying to "save" what we remember about the sport, verus what we like. My foredecker showed me that he was more than capable doing everything the Vakaros was doing from his watch, and that made me agree. There's no going back.

That said, my starts improved massively this winter when my unit died mid-regatta, and I forced to focus on keeping keel speed and staying bow out around the compasses around me. There's still an analog game to be played the other way. It isn't AI sailing, yet...
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He was able to tell you exactly how far from the line, how far from the mark, if you were on the short or long tack to the mark (not always so simple when coming up on the breeze after rounding the leeward mark), and more? I do not doubt that he over achieved, impressed, and did amazing things. A good foredeck is the closest thing human kind has to a god in this universe. If he was working numbers for you on his smart watch then he is, "One of us."

I was foredeck for way too long and as I aged I started calling tactics from foredeck, which I decided was sort of dumb even if I was successful at times. So I retired from before to mast to the helm or next to the helm. No one can accurately keep all those numbers rolling for instant glances while working the deck. It's tough enough calling a clean start on a crowded line and get to your decided upon tactical side of the course, without having to also make sure the bow isn't going to turn into an orgy of snakes and the spinnaker into a ribbon wrapping the headstay like a maypole at the windward mark.

Foredeck and tactician are equally terrible positions of glory and sorrow. Best they be kept seperate.
 
Roller Skates

Roller Skates

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Foredeck Shuffle said:
He was able to tell you exactly how far from the line, how far from the mark, if you were on the short or long tack to the mark (not always so simple when coming up on the breeze after rounding the leeward mark), and more? I do not doubt that he over achieved, impressed, and did amazing things. A good foredeck is the closest thing human kind has to a god in this universe. If he was working numbers for you on his smart watch then he is, "One of us."

I was foredeck for way too long and as I aged I started calling tactics from foredeck, which I decided was sort of dumb even if I was successful at times. So I retired from before to mast to the helm or next to the helm. No one can accurately keep all those numbers rolling for instant glances while working the deck. It's tough enough calling a clean start on a crowded line and get to your decided upon tactical side of the course, without having to also make sure the bow isn't going to turn into an orgy of snakes and the spinnaker into a ribbon wrapping the headstay like a maypole at the windward mark.

Foredeck and tactician are equally terrible positions of glory and sorrow. Best they be kept seperate.
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This guy can, but he’s also the kind of guy that watches what you’re doing on public Wi-Fi for fun and apparently worked on bitcoin code in high school. Probably not your usual suspect, but making a point.

That being said, in a 22 or 70, tactician is the front seat, if you’re spagettied on the start you’ve got bigger issues than a compass can solve.
 
Foredeck Shuffle

Foredeck Shuffle

More of a Stoic Cynic, Anarchy Sounds Exhausting
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Stuck On The Start Pin
Roller Skates said:
This guy can, but he’s also the kind of guy that watches what you’re doing on public Wi-Fi for fun and apparently worked on bitcoin code in high school. Probably not your usual suspect, but making a point.

That being said, in a 22 or 70, tactician is the front seat, if you’re spagettied on the start you’ve got bigger issues than a compass can solve.
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Speed makes you a tactical genius.

Perhaps Vakaros would add a function that knows your boat's VPP and if you deviate from it you get an electrical shock through the tiller extension until you get it right.
 
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