Emirates Team New Zealand.

[atwinda]

You need to watch the interview with Dalts about the venue selection process. He explains how it works.

Origin were part of the process. It was a continual process. During the NZ day, Team NZ would work on it, during the NZ night, Origin would work on it.

The ultimate selection decision came down to Dalts, and Dalts alone.

Origins job was simply to facilitate that decision. They played no part in making the final venue decision.

What is so wrong with you, that you can't admit you are incorrect about something?

You don't assemble a committee to make a decision to simply ignore them. Besides, I'm sure the decision was not solely Grant's. He has share holders he has to report to.

Grant does NOT need to you to be his personal internet guardian- What you do here is completely shameful.

 

[JALhazmat]

You need to watch the interview with Dalts about the venue selection process. He explains how it works.

Origin were part of the process. It was a continual process. During the NZ day, Team NZ would work on it, during the NZ night, Origin would work on it.

The ultimate selection decision came down to Dalts, and Dalts alone.

Origins job was simply to facilitate that decision. They played no part in making the final venue decision.

Pretty clear in the article thanks, that explained it perfectly clearly, including who did make the final cut. 
 

I know it’s hard to admit but every now and again a bit of humility goes a long way. 

 

[ChairborneRanger]

What is so wrong with you, that you can't admit you are incorrect about something?

You don't assemble a committee to make a decision to simply ignore them. Besides, I'm sure the decision was not solely Grant's. He has share holders he has to report to.

Grant does NOT need to you to be his personal internet guardian- What you do here is completely shameful.

Grant has Shareholders? never heard that one.

 

[Stingray~]

Grant has Shareholders? never heard that one.

Where have you been?

GD runs the operation with Matteo de Nora and they do it 'as a business' by GD's own admission. For profit. With the Cup in their hands they are trying to use that to cash in for as much as they can.

It happens in other sports too but is still distasteful, especially when the local communities have long-time fiscal and emotional investment in it. See the NFL ex-Oakland but now Las Vegas Raiders as another example. 'Nationalism' or City-pride is way down the list of importance, it simply does not matter to them except for the hope that a fringe old fanbase might still pay a modicum of attention. GD lives permanently in London now, I doubt he will ever go back or else why did he leave?

 

[Sailbydate]

It happens in other sports too but is still distasteful,

WTF? Distasteful? 

Mate. The quicker you join the 21st Century and the world of professional sport the better. Get to it, man.

 

[Stingray~]

WTF? Distasteful? 

Mate. The quicker you join the 21st Century and the world of professional sport the better. Get to it, man.

I do get that but do you really think that if AM were to win it under the NYYC's flag, that they would take it offshore? 

Am guessing there are higher values at play in that situation but am bracing myself for just in case.

 

[Gissie]

The quicker you join the 21st Century and the world of professional sport the better. Get to it, man.

And here lies the problem. For over a hundred years the cup was a pissing competition between extremely rich sailors. The actual sailors not that important in the big scheme of things. Owners and Captain pretty much all that mattered. Making a profit not all that important either. The audience made up of rich mates and keen sailors interested in the spectacle.

Now it is a pro sport. One that needs to be at least partially self funding. Nationality not that big a deal, apart from this time with Dalton wanting to limit any competition from Kiwi sailors. It is all about spectacle, red bull excitement, getting nonsailors on board. ROI is the mantra of the new pro AC. Publicity with dumb arse behind the scenes programs.

The very thing most extremely wealthy sailors have little interest in and so they moved on. Now we get a dumbed down world series bullshit competition with the main event every so often. All now run for the benefit of the, aptly named, pro's. The cup whored out for a permanent job for the staff. Quickly losing relevance to many sailors, but not good enough to bring in the great unwashed to save its sorry arse.

 

[Sailbydate]

And here lies the problem. For over a hundred years the cup was a pissing competition between extremely rich sailors. The actual sailors not that important in the big scheme of things. Owners and Captain pretty much all that mattered. Making a profit not all that important either. The audience made up of rich mates and keen sailors interested in the spectacle.

Now it is a pro sport. One that needs to be at least partially self funding. Nationality not that big a deal, apart from this time with Dalton wanting to limit any competition from Kiwi sailors. It is all about spectacle, red bull excitement, getting nonsailors on board. ROI is the mantra of the new pro AC. Publicity with dumb arse behind the scenes programs.

The very thing most extremely wealthy sailors have little interest in and so they moved on. Now we get a dumbed down world series bullshit competition with the main event every so often. All now run for the benefit of the, aptly named, pro's. The cup whored out for a permanent job for the staff. Quickly losing relevance to many sailors, but not good enough to bring in the great unwashed to save its sorry arse.

I understand your nostalgia, Gissie. But we are talking a campaign budget of $150 million plus. Not enough $squillionaires to go around, sadly - at least for NZL. So, needs must, eh?

 

[Stingray~]

It is all about spectacle, red bull excitement, getting nonsailors on board. ROI is the mantra of the new pro AC.

SailGP is going to beat them at that game, they went directly at it.

Ironic, given it is a massive $B helping to let RC pursue that purely commercial pathway but SGP does not pretend to be the AC he already dumped a $B or so into and so.. Okay, I guess. I remember an incident during AC34 SF when some backup NZ grinder (Matt Mason?) tried to sue LE's BOR for being let go (they settled later somehow) and according to the court complaint that guy had been making 30K per month. And got replaced by some grinder making even more! Money was 'no object' on that scale and am sure it is true also of PB, EB, JR and (hopefully) DdV. It takes a real $B to pay and play in this ridiculous game if you want to keep it bragging-rights/traditional.

 

[pusslicker]

WTF? Distasteful? 

Mate. The quicker you join the 21st Century and the world of professional sport the better. Get to it, man.

I somehow doubt you were saying that when Larry was creating this current vision of the AC.

 

[Sailbydate]

I somehow doubt you were saying that when Larry was creating this current vision of the AC.

You'd be right. But that was then...  h34r:

 

[Gissie]

I understand your nostalgia, Gissie. But we are talking a campaign budget of $150 million plus. Not enough $squillionaires to go around, sadly - at least for NZL. So, needs must, eh?

We are talking a 150+ because that is where the defender wants it to be.

As for not enough squillionaires, look at some of the other sailing going on. TP's, J's etc. There are enough rich who could look at the game, except the game has been purposely changed to one they don't like. They don't want their wealth paraded before the world. Exposed to the microscope of modern media and the attack dogs unleashed by Dalton if you step out of line.

But most importantly, they like boats they can helm, even if not in anger. Boats that they and their mates can understand. Not some joystick, flight controller screen, cyclist.

The rich have moved on to other regattas, not left the sport.

 

[Sea Breeze 74]

I do get that but do you really think that if AM were to win it under the NYYC's flag, that they would take it offshore? 

I don't know, but the last American holders of the cup did. They set the precedent

 

[Forourselves]

What is so wrong with you, that you can't admit you are incorrect about something?

You don't assemble a committee to make a decision to simply ignore them. Besides, I'm sure the decision was not solely Grant's. He has share holders he has to report to.

Grant does NOT need to you to be his personal internet guardian- What you do here is completely shameful.

Ugh, yes, you do. Origin was tasked with handling the venue selection process when they couldn't. Its been explained to death by Dalts over and over again. The process was a 24/7 project, which is what Origin was tasked with. Its been done to death by pretty much everyone.

Origin had no say in the final decision, why? Because they aren't the defender. The Defender and the Defender alone is tasked with the final venue decision, as provided in the Deed of Gift. A venue decision made by anyone but the Defender would leave Dalton open to a DoG challenge, which is why the decision was his alone (or at least the Teams)

But it certainly wasn't Origin, or some committee that made the final decision. 

Its like a Government working group right? You assemble them to gain information, to advise and recommend, but the final decision is ultimately made by Government. 

The working group has no say in the final decision, they simply are there to advise and recommend. Thats their job. Thats what they're employed to do.

Thats what Origin were tasked with... smh.

 

[Forourselves]

I swear the haters can't get past their hatred of Dalton and/ or his decisions that they can't see the real world right in front of them. 

Stop over thinking this shit. Its really simple. Its not some consipiracy theory BS involving dark figures somewhere in high levels of Government. Its not the X Files. Its literally Dalts doing what he needs to do to win. Thats it.

Because winning is all that matters.

 

[JALhazmat]

Origin haters too then? Seeing as they contradict your narrative completely?

 

[Forourselves]

Origin haters too then? Seeing as they contradict your narrative completely?

Never been a fan of Origin, and by all accounts, neither has Ben Ainslie. He dropped them like a bad date.

Haters like you see what they want to see.

Like I've always said.

Winning is all that matters. The rest is non sense.

You can claim what you like, but you'll always be wrong. And i'll be right.

Actions speak louder than words.

Dalts is a winner, he has been his whole career.

 

[shebeen]

We are talking a 150+ because that is where the defender wants it to be.

As for not enough squillionaires, look at some of the other sailing going on. TP's, J's etc. There are enough rich who could look at the game, except the game has been purposely changed to one they don't like. They don't want their wealth paraded before the world. Exposed to the microscope of modern media and the attack dogs unleashed by Dalton if you step out of line.

But most importantly, they like boats they can helm, even if not in anger. Boats that they and their mates can understand. Not some joystick, flight controller screen, cyclist.

The rich have moved on to other regattas, not left the sport.

I assume you're mainly referring to TP52.

Doug de Vos is playing in both these duckponds, wonder how he would define the level of satisfaction gained from each. I guess the chasm between winning and losing is worlds apart with these different fleets.

 

[dogwatch]

I don't know, but the last American holders of the cup did. They set the precedent

But they'd essentially bought the stony-broke GGYC, who could consequently be relied on to assume the position. AFAIK NYYC is not for sale. Would this make a difference? Probably, although I'm not sure.

 

[Gissie]

I assume you're mainly referring to TP52.

Doug de Vos is playing in both these duckponds, wonder how he would define the level of satisfaction gained from each. I guess the chasm between winning and losing is worlds apart with these different fleets.

Considering the number playing in these other fleets, I guess they consider winning and losing in them far better than in the public cesspool the cup is becoming.