smackdaddy
Super Anarchist
Please. If you are a designer involved with this embarrassment of a boat and you didn’t see this coming, you are an absolute idiot and DO NOT deserve to be involved at this level of the game.…
Emirates Team New Zealand.
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Please. If you are a designer involved with this embarrassment of a boat and you didn’t see this coming, you are an absolute idiot and DO NOT deserve to be involved at this level of the game.…
Sailbydate
Super Anarchist
Said no one ever looking to create a faster boat.
Ex Machina
Super Anarchist
Said an owner of a 1980s 4kt shitbox
smackdaddy
Super Anarchist
C’mon Zonk. That is a joke of a “data set”. How do you think the forces of the mule crash above several years ago (one of countless similar crashes in the same mode as we just saw with this 40) - would compare? How do you think the forces in Patriot’s sinker of a crash would compare?
That graph is nothing but PR spin on a clearly inferior design with this 40. I’ll grant you that one can never fully predict the forces. But firstly, if designers really are relying on force data from one 75’ boat in mild conditions as the specs for a 40’ boat intended for the private market and a much wider range of conditions - they are negligent designers. Secondly, when you’ve seen the same exact crash mode over and over and over across multiple iterations of this design - you simply have no excuse for your “market ready” boat breaking apart when that same crash mode occurs. Period.
That graph is nothing but PR spin on a clearly inferior design with this 40. I’ll grant you that one can never fully predict the forces. But firstly, if designers really are relying on force data from one 75’ boat in mild conditions as the specs for a 40’ boat intended for the private market and a much wider range of conditions - they are negligent designers. Secondly, when you’ve seen the same exact crash mode over and over and over across multiple iterations of this design - you simply have no excuse for your “market ready” boat breaking apart when that same crash mode occurs. Period.
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breezie
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tiresome !
burbanite
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"Immanuel Kant was a real pissant..."
Sailbydate
Super Anarchist
...and what about Bruce from the Biology Department?
Jethrow
Super Anarchist
... who was very rarely stable
enigmatically2
Super Anarchist
On this subject, years ago when I was visiting Sydney (2003 rugby world cup ahem), I walked around the arboretum there.... who was very rarely stable
I was delighted to note that the plaque on ine tree read
"This here's the wattle, the emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle, your can hold it in your hand".
Great to see that sense of humour amongst all the more serious plaques
Burling getting married soon
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertai...n-in-the-new-year/G2HNY5J6AZEI3IDZE3WBJD6Z2A/Spy: Peter Burling to wed partner Lucinda Nelson in the new year
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertai...n-in-the-new-year/G2HNY5J6AZEI3IDZE3WBJD6Z2A/Spy: Peter Burling to wed partner Lucinda Nelson in the new year
Mate its the America’s cup and breakages have been a part of the cup for a very long time. If you can’t understand that these boats are built right on the edge of failure then you don’t understand much. Your trying to imply that some of the best designers in the game are idiot’s. I think it’s pretty obvious who the idiot is.
The_Alchemist
Super Anarchist
Mate, it was the AC40 production model available for purchase by the general public! It is not their AC75 that is racing in the AC. It was a "finished" AC40 that was being "sold" to all of the teams and anyone who ante up the money. ABNZ decided it was not necessary to do any real world testing before it was sold.
smackdaddy
Super Anarchist
It’s okay Alchy. You are, of course, spot on.
It’s just a newb trying to look tough by going after the lion. It’s cute.
It’s just a newb trying to look tough by going after the lion. It’s cute.
jaysper
Super Anarchist
Regardless of whether you can anticipate every scenario, you wouldn't and indeed probably couldn't mitigate the negative consequences of all or even most of them without building an absolute pig of a boat, or to borrow Ben Ainslie's term for it: "Rita".
What about the original 49er rigs , laser bottom sections ect I know they’re rigs and not bows but one design parts for the masses that where known for failure. They could of been made stronger and heavier at the beginning but that would of hindered the performance. I’m not sure if you have done any wing foiling before but the trend of shorter and stubby board’s isn’t just so it can fit in the car. When foiling weight fwd has a massive impact on the characteristics of performance , they would of been trying to limit the weight they put fwd to a bare minimum. Not sailing related but there are plenty of videos on the net of Lamborghini’s catching on fire and they are sold to the public. Thing is if your buying something that is at the utmost level of performance failure is never going to be a complete surprise and is just part of the game.
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I think by calling yourself “ the lion “ sums up your personality. It was a bit of a newb thing for me to engage with the subs troll tho. I still find it hilarious that a bunch of keyboard warriors think they know better then America’s cup professionals.
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Ex Machina
Super Anarchist
Especially the ones that sail 1970s 4kt pumpkin seeds
