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Stingray~

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AM is catching up to where LR/ENTZ were in the last cup.
What makes you think AM has not instead leapfrogged everyone already? Look at the stats about miles sailed, time sailed, maneuvers made, and how many are dry. It's hard to argue they are 'catching up' to anybody, they look to be well ahead at this stage. Mozzy has the same basic conclusion.

Slingers touched on this subject in today's interview, about the benefits of going full-scale for crew, for systems, and for rig systems development.
 
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Horn Rock

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What makes you think AM has not instead leapfrogged everyone already?
There's no proof of that whatsoever. What is known is how deficient their camber control was last time. The assumptions they made last time, that a flat main is all they needed, was wildly off target. It's understandable that they want to fix that. Remember, this team didn't win a race when it counted, despite having a fast boat - in certain conditions. They definitely have ground to make up just to get to where LR/ENTZ were last time. I doubt LR/ENTZ are overly concerned with what AM are up to at the moment.
 

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What is the patch on the port foil? Was this discussed? Also a fence on the foil extension?
The shroud and screens look a bit like what has been described as being added to LR's LEQ12.
 

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AM is catching up to where LR/ENTZ were in the last cup. Sorting out their mainsail shaping and control that was deficient last time. Their inability to induce camber for light airs take off. So while it's good what they're doing, they're still in catchup mode, not forging ahead.
That really sounds like a fanboy way of describing it. They are definitely ahead of the other teams in implement cyclors on the AC75. They are working on the next generation of sail control just as the other teams, but without scaling issues. The only thing they have not forged ahead on yet is the foils. That will be done with their LEQ12 work.
 
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The_Alchemist

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There's no proof of that whatsoever. What is known is how deficient their camber control was last time. The assumptions they made last time, that a flat main is all they needed, was wildly off target. It's understandable that they want to fix that. Remember, this team didn't win a race when it counted, despite having a fast boat - in certain conditions. They definitely have ground to make up just to get to where LR/ENTZ were last time. I doubt LR/ENTZ are overly concerned with what AM are up to at the moment.
There is a lot know about AM this year. They have shown they can lift off and easily maneuver in 6 knots of wind. None of the AC75’s did that in the last cup.

Yes, they made some bad decisions on the sail design. They also had a major flaw in the rudder control and shake. But they did have a fast boat that could not get out of the water in light wind. They were the only team to beat NZ in a race.

I think you are sorely underestimating AM and I doubt the other teams agree with you.
 

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I think you are sorely underestimating AM and I doubt the other teams agree with you.
It would be an act of stupidity (or arrogance or both) to write off any of the repeat teams at this stage, or even Alinghi.
Ineos were written off as last place early last time, then dominated the round robin. Then got overtaken again.
This time there are clearly such different strategies so far that it is impossible to compare between them when we don't know objectives, whether AP is used or impact of scaling on any of them.

Personally I like what LR have been doing and Ineos are starting to do, but I do get some advantages for what AM are doing. It doesn't look like NZ have yet tested as much new tech, but all the others had to catch up with them anyway.
Only once we see the AC75s will we really see even a hint of potential. And as I say that can be misleading
 

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Actually Climate change, so prepare for more of the "once in a 100 years" events !!
Bullshit. Lack of infrastructure investment in Auckland over decades.

Other regions to the North and East of Auckland have copped similar deluges over many decades. Just so happens this one centred on Auckland.

Remember cyclone Bola?
 

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Some truth in what you say but Bola was not the same intensity. This was two systems creating a "river" Which is a new term describing new events, In California as well.
 

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Some truth in what you say but Bola was not the same intensity. This was two systems creating a "river" Which is a new term describing new events, In California as well.
Bola 105knots Auckland had no wind this latest storm.

Gisborne had nearly 3 x the rainfall of Auckland during Bola I.e. over 900mm!! That all occurred 34 years ago!

Bola was far more intense.

Don't forget Cyclone Giselle in 1968 and bringing it back to maritime boating endeavours that was the storm that sunk the Wahine.
 

Stingray~

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Places all over the US get terrible floods every year and few cities are able to cope with 'worst-case' scenarios, but this year was for sure a bad one! Thankfully no major cities got nailed recently.

Slow day, so will ask: If a normal car is parked in water halfway up its doors, does the water leak into the interior?
 

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How often does this happen in Auckland? I can point to worse storms in Fiji etc.
Is the climate changing? YES
Bollocks. NZ has a maritime climate. The furtherest point from the sea in NZ is in Central Otago and that's 120km. Most of NZ's cities and towns are less than 30km from the sea.

Auckland was just unlucky this time. Initially it was forecast to hit the Far North but High Pressure in the Tasman pushed it a bit more East. Not by much probably about 30km.

50km to the East of where I am presently they got 200mm of rain. We got less than a tenth of that and most of the time were in brilliant sunshine.

If you follow the weather closely as a sailor or amateur enthusiast you will know that the weather generates out of the Coral Sea at this time of year and cycles south. It either goes left of Cape Reinga or mostly right heading south. The storms will then dump on Northland or Coramandel or East Cape. Very rarely all three. This one just missed Northland and stalled over Auckland. Climate change? Yeah nah!
 
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