Emirates Team New Zealand.

[Horn Rock]

Are you kidding me? There was an endless, endless stream of Kiwi hatred about the probable friendship between OR and Softbank's team

It's not comparable imo. dg fanny is getting into a lather over bugger all. Kiwis have been selling their IP for ages for additional revenue. SS was going to buy a design pack last time, and no one cared. Not sure why there's a fuss here.
The positives vastly outweigh the negs. The French get help to get up to speed in a complex class, so they should be relatively competitive, making for a better event.

 

[Stingray~]

Not sure why there's a fuss here.

No fuss so far but because CBRanger raised the accusation first, we may as well as well address the supposed similarity (s)he raised. And as I pointed out, a bunch of Kiwi's were in frothing-moth mode over the suppose'd relationship between OR and JPN that he brought up. And it went on endlessly.

Imo, unlike this relationship, none of that was $ based, being as everyone involved were $B's. Probably a champagne glass toast between LE and Masayoshi during some late eve snack conversation. And then Dirk Kramers and others like DB got recruited in, maybe suggested by RC. The Semi's in Bermuda between AR and SB was maybe the best racing of that whole AC and I suspect either one would have beaten OR if they'd had stronger conditions and beaten ETNZ in the CSS Final and then faced OR.

I do hope Team Poodle do well, it would add to the fun.

But in the bigger picture? Do not ever discount the lengths GD et al will go to legally or otherwise, their history is paved with burnt bridges. Their next targets of aggression could easily be Ineos and Barcelona, just as Prada and Auckland were last time.

Maybe three giant $B's - Larry, Torbjorn and Masayoshi walked way for that reason, it was heading into 'toxic' waters instead of more fun.

 

[Horn Rock]

just as Prada and Auckland were last time.

Prada adopted a deliberately combative approach in Auckland. It was calculated to try to derail ETNZ, and that's fine, it's a tough sport on and off the water, Max knew exactly what he was doing - as did GD. It failed and they lost, such is sport. GD shifted to Ineos for CoR, but Max is still back. I don't think there's any hard feelings, that's just the way the game is played at this level, and GD is a veteran and a master.
To me, it's looking like GD is getting all his ducks lined up in a neat row, and the event is shaping up to be something very special - fingers crossed some unseen event doesn't derail it, like a war or a pandemic....
Max, Ben, EB, TH, all know GD plays hard, and it's going to take a supreme effort to knock him over - as it should at the pinnacle of yacht racing. Even now, GD's AC legacy is already huge, and approaching that of that other Kiwi cunt RC....

 

[Stingray~]

^ Disagree about your first line but good post.

Am also a little nervous about 'fingers crossed some unseen event doesn't derail it, like a war or a pandemic....' because of, as is so obvious, GD (an obviously smart guy) has an aggressively bridge-burning track record.

Is 'Barcelona' the title AC37 sponsor as the recently shown logo suggests? Yikes.. could mean a lot of complication including budget-control power-arguments. Like Auckland, but with a city of 6M Catahunians this time... You are not home any more!

 

[dg_sailingfan]

Prada adopted a deliberately combative approach in Auckland. It was calculated to try to derail ETNZ, and that's fine, it's a tough sport on and off the water, Max knew exactly what he was doing - as did GD. It failed and they lost, such is sport. GD shifted to Ineos for CoR, but Max is still back. I don't think there's any hard feelings, that's just the way the game is played at this level, and GD is a veteran and a master.
To me, it's looking like GD is getting all his ducks lined up in a neat row, and the event is shaping up to be something very special - fingers crossed some unseen event doesn't derail it, like a war or a pandemic....
Max, Ben, EB, TH, all know GD plays hard, and it's going to take a supreme effort to knock him over - as it should at the pinnacle of yacht racing. Even now, GD's AC legacy is already huge, and approaching that of that other Kiwi cunt RC....

A Special Event with no Naming-Rights Partner, only minor TV Deals and most of the European Economies including Spain likely in a severe Recession.
2023 and 2024 will be far worse compared to the 2008 Financial Crisis.
Give me a break!

Russell Coutts & Larry Ellisons SailGP has already generated far more Revenue compared to AC36 in Auckland despite losing 1 year due to Pandemic and having Major Restrictions in 2021.

 

[JonRowe]

Not to defend any of the frothing forumites, but isn't a key difference between Oracle <-> JPN and ETNZ <-> OET (K-Challenge) is that any team can purchase the design package, and who's to say the other team's (especially Alinghi seeing as they bought a boat off them) haven't done so under a condition of an NDA (it wouldn't be a publicity benefit to them)?

Where as Oracle <-> JPN's relationship was much more under the table and essentially Oracle was rumoured to control them too thus being a hip pocket challenger and not just providing cash...

 

[JALhazmat]

Not to defend any of the frothing forumites, but isn't a key difference between Oracle <-> JPN and ETNZ <-> OET (K-Challenge) is that any team can purchase the design package, and who's to say the other team's (especially Alinghi seeing as they bought a boat off them) haven't done so under a condition of an NDA (it wouldn't be a publicity benefit to them)?

Where as Oracle <-> JPN's relationship was much more under the table and essentially Oracle was rumoured to control them too thus being a hip pocket challenger and not just providing cash...

Rumourd to control them? Who was pushing that rumour?

 

[Horn Rock]

A Special Event with no Naming-Rights Partner, only minor TV Deals

Plenty of time for GD to get that all sorted Fanny....

Russell Coutts & Larry Ellisons SailGP has already generated far more Revenue compared to AC36

I don't think GD gives two hoots about what Wuss and Lazza are up to. Besides, they're complimentary events, involving the same guys. I bet Wuss's schedule will dovetail with the AC rather than clash.

 

[Mozzy Sails]

Having Hamish Bond onboard is a big kick of horsepower! For reference for the non rowing that's ~380 watts at about 85kg and rowing is much less effective than cycling on the effort to watts ratio. He's a bit of a beast!

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Hamish has done a tonne of cycling to. He came over and competed on our local 10 up and down the A3 at Petersfield.

It was a slow evening and he did a low 19. He did a 17:55 on a slightly faster course on a better evening too. I think he was doing 420 watts.

He was over to work with Aerocoach ahead of a punt at the commonwealth games.

I think only one person beat him whilst he was over was Dan Bigham. Who is a very interesting character. Started up track team with his mates and beat out the GB set up. He's an engineer and used that knowledge to become 'disrupters' of the GB status qou with their small team. Eventually it fell down when the UCI blocked 'trade' teams from the track world cups.

Anyway... Dan then went over to work with Denmark (might still do)... Denmark then knocked GB our of the team pursuit at teh games under controversial circumstances where GB querried some of Denmark's aero enhancements. In the race itself the two teams crashed (as Den lapped GB) and Denmark awarded the win.

Dan did a hour record attempt and beat wiggos time (for a UK record, owlrd record was beyond this), but couldn't afford to put himself in the test pool.

Eventually Dan got pulled in to INEOS where he now works as a rider / coach. They stumped up the cash and he had a go at the world record last year, riding 55+k. He was essentially used a test dummy for Flippo Ganna who later smashed the world record with a 56+k a couple of months later.

I mention Dan, because I've seen him out riding specifically with the INEOS cyclors. I think he's coaching them... but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets pulled in to the team. That said, I don't think he's a big numbers guy, but he's very smart and I think to get the most out of the cyclors is going to take some thinking outside the box. Cylors don't have momentum. Cyclors cant change gears. Cyclors position isn't defined by aero in the same way a cyclists is.

 

[buckdouger]

Ammendment from Dec 19 to clarify Surrogate Yacht:

Original:

 

[buckdouger]

A summary of Rule Enquiries since Jan 1, 2023 in case anyone else is interested. https://ac37noticeboard.acofficials.org/class-rules/enquiries

32. A proposed ammendment to the requirement for plugs or moulds to be made of sustainable material.

33. A question about the hull blueprint that requires 'crew zone volumes' (hull recesses where the crew operate) to be included in the IGES surface. This captures the consequence that the crew zone volumes form part of the hull surface which creates rules around penetrations.

34. A question about crew zones and normal sailing positions. There are rules preventing overlapping crew zones and a rule requiring a mannequin being used to illustrate a normal sailing position. The question was whether normal sailing positions captures cyclists moving their legs or torsos as they operate, and whether overlap is permissible, to paraphrase, if the normal sailing positions change in coordination.

35. A question about the requirement for pressure relief valves in hydraulic cylinders if they are double acting and allow oil to pass between both chambers.

36. An ammendment proposal to remove the surface finishing (painting) requirements for the hull from the inside of the cockpits, to allow, for example, bare resin.

37. A question about whether hydraulic rams with a piston rod on either side of the piston are necessarily considered double acting, and therefore need 3 node positions vs 2 nodes for a single-acting/single-piston ram which presumably operates the same way.

38. Un-published

39. Foil arm stock for LEQ12s - must they be stock parts that are subsequently modified?

AC37 Noticeboard - Enquiries

Rule Enquiries

ac37noticeboard.acofficials.org

 

[Forourselves]

Slick operation.

 

[Forourselves]

A Special Event with no Naming-Rights Partner, only minor TV Deals and most of the European Economies including Spain likely in a severe Recession.
2023 and 2024 will be far worse compared to the 2008 Financial Crisis.
Give me a break!

Russell Coutts & Larry Ellisons SailGP has already generated far more Revenue compared to AC36 in Auckland despite losing 1 year due to Pandemic and having Major Restrictions in 2021.

No need to have a naming rights sponsor or confirmed TV deal yet. Invitations have literally only just been sent.

Now you know why Dalton has gone off shore, because despite peoples feelings about Auckland, NZ is not the type of economy that is large enough to sustain an event like the AC. Its the same reason World rugby has removed NZ from its Sevens tour calendar despite the dominance and popularity of both the All Blacks and the Black Ferns.
Unless the NZ Government is willing and prepared to invest the type of cash that larger economies are, NZ will always come out on the losing end of big money deals.

 

[buckdouger]

 

[buckdouger]

LEQ12

 

[JALhazmat]

If only another team had a fully functional AC40 to look at so we could see what a stock version looked like..

 

[Stingray~]

Is Te Rehutai visible, at the ETNZ base? Curious if/when it may get shipped to.... France? Barcelona?

 

[Sailbydate]

Slick operation.

Very slick operation.

 

[Sailbydate]

If only another team had a fully functional AC40 to look at so we could see what a stock version looked like..

No need. AC40-3 is stock.

 

[JALhazmat]

ah that’s ok, when are the other teams getting a go in one that works then?