Emirates Team New Zealand.

MaxHugen

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Clew "box" with nice neat cover and new signage - "The Heart Of Racing" and MND.
Looks like they are trying out the "extended" rudder stock:

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Indio

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  On 2/26/2021 at 11:26 PM, EYESAILOR said:
In legal terms, the cup cannot be given to another club by either ETNZ or RNZYS.   It can only be removed by a valid challenge (or relinquished to prior club in specific circumstances...see deed) 

IF RNZYS ceases to exist (i.e. "dissolved"), the Cup is transferred to another YC from NZ able and willing to defend it, which YC then proceeds to accept Challenges as per SOP. The Cup will only revert to the previous holder if another NZ YC doesn't step up within 3 m0onths of dissolution of the initial holder.

The only loophole is that RNZYS could accept a challenge from Dalts club and then lose that challenge.  ...

It'll have to be a "Dalts" YC representing another country for a start.
 

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Clew "box" with nice neat cover and new signage - "The Heart Of Racing" and MND.

Sorry about picture quality, operator error.
Glad to see you out there getting essential exercise in the fresh air while we wait. 

Nice shots.

Message to etnz: don't break the boat!!!

 

The_Alchemist

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There's a lot of "intelligent guesswork" on this forum as a whole... I notice a few YT channels that "analyse" the AC appear to use info gained from the forum. :)

I think you're right about NZ's performance through the turns in light air, particularly the tacks. I'm guessing that they need to get speed up on their narrow foils to compensate for speed decrease during the turn, so they tend to bear away slightly for a couple of seconds before and after a tack. LR have a bit of an advantage here, and probably gain a few metres over NZ.

Countering this, NZ most likely have a slightly higher acceleration to get back to max speed for the conditions, and this should neutralise LR's tacking advantage. Then it's back to VMG, where NZ have an edge through those extra sail area down low plus the ability to squeeze out max power due to the camber they can induce, and their lower-drag foils.

I think NZ will be OK even in the lower wind range.  :rolleyes:
LR would just get into a taking duel and kill them....

 

The_Alchemist

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They could always do a bogus AC in 6-12 months for minimum $$$ and deliberately lose to their chosen benefactor club in exchange for an ETNZ payday. As long as the other deed criteria are met, it is probably cheaper than lawyers fees.
This would definitely bring in the lawyers.  

 

Ncik

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This would definitely bring in the lawyers.  
True, but genuine question, which part of that plan would break the deed?

Valid Club?

Valid Boat?

Valid Sea?

Valid Challenger?

RNZYS don't have to host the challenger series. They don't have to have it in a new and expensive class. They don't have to put any serious effort ($$$) into a defence. They can just claim it is beyond their means to defend the Cup as per previous events (if they win again).

 
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The_Alchemist

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In legal terms, the cup cannot be given to another club by either ETNZ or RNZYS.   It can only be removed by a valid challenge (or relinquished to prior club in specific circumstances...see deed) 

IF RNZYS ceases to exist (i.e. "dissolved"), the Cup is transferred to another YC from NZ able and willing to defend it, which YC then proceeds to accept Challenges as per SOP. The Cup will only revert to the previous holder if another NZ YC doesn't step up within 3 m0onths of dissolution of the initial holder.

The only loophole is that RNZYS could accept a challenge from Dalts club and then lose that challenge.  ...

It'll have to be a "Dalts" YC representing another country for a start.
You know this would never fly....  The lawyer would be all over this...

If ETNZ wants to try this kind of crap then they are a dead team sailing...

 

Ncik

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You know this would never fly....  The lawyer would be all over this...

If ETNZ wants to try this kind of crap then they are a dead team sailing...
Not denying this, just saying, if someone were to offer your sailing team an F1 budget...how would you make it happen?

 

The_Alchemist

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True, but genuine question, which part of that plan would break the deed?

Valid Club?

Valid Boat?

Valid Sea?

Valid Challenger?

RNZYS don't have to host the challenger series. They don't have to have it in a new and expensive class. They don't have to put any serious effort ($$$) into a defence. They can just claim it is beyond their means to defend the Cup as per previous events (if they win again).
The farce would not hold up to the intent of the DoG.

OK, so if they got it shifted to Dalt'sFUYC.    And for what purpose?  Why would they want to do this?  They would have no fanbase and thus no customers for the advertising that the sponsors pay to attract.  

 

The_Alchemist

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Not denying this, just saying, if someone were to offer your sailing team an F1 budget...how would you make it happen?
Why in the world would you think "someone" would be willing to offer an F1 budget?  What would be in it for them to do this?  

This discussion is akin to "what would you do if someone gave you $100 million dollars?"  Who the fck is going to do that?

 

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