Emirates Team New Zealand.

[strider470]

Considering that AC37 is going to be a DoG event, that clause does seem weird, as LR, NYYC, can't enter AC37.....

It's not weird. They need to put something official in AC37 protocol to convince possible AC38 teams that they can invest in a campaign for which they can't challenge yet and no term can be signed. This AC378 bundle is not legal, though.

 

[strider470]

When some another team in a possible future will propose a 1 - 1 Match excluding xTNZ from a Cup cycle, I will come back to read some messages here. Just for comparison.

 

[Horn Rock]

When some another team in a possible future will propose a 1 - 1 Match excluding xTNZ from a Cup cycle, I will come back to read some messages here. Just for comparison.

That's already happened when Oracle and Alinghi had their DoG match.

 

[Barnyb]

JR: Hey Grant I want to be COR

GD: OK Jim, Akld, in 4 years, same boat.

JR: What about a one on one Grant?

GD: Make me a good offer

JR: $100M

GD: Done!

 

[strider470]

That's already happened when Oracle and Alinghi had their DoG match.

At the time i remember well, that was seen as the good against the evil EB wanting to jeopardise the cup. Now it's hard to see anything but selfishness and greed looking at both of them. Machiavelli was an amateur.

 

[Horn Rock]

Now it's hard to see anything but selfishness and greed looking at both of them.

More like necessity for ETNZ. They need a significant input of cash. This provides it.

 

[strider470]

More like necessity for ETNZ. They need a significant input of cash. This provides it.

Io sto con  Paul Elvstrøm

 

[Sailbydate]

JR: Hey Grant I want to be COR

GD: OK Jim, Akld, in 4 years, same boat.

JR: What about a one on one Grant?

GD: Make me a good offer

JR: $100M

GD: Done!

More like:

GD: Make me a good offer

JR: How about $80M ?

GD: Make it $100M

JR: Done!

 

[hoom]

What's the difference in Grant allowing Ratty to buy the Cup in this way and Coutts, Butterworth, et al taking Ernie's cash and bringing him the Cup?

One is just being a professional sailor like several other kiwi pro sailor & ex-'TNZ' sailors had done before.

The Great Charlie Barr was Scottish and sailed for both British Challengers & US Defenders, this is a part of the patina of the history of the AC.

The other is actively shitting on the 170 year history of the AC & the wording of the DoG.

I'm not particularly worried about whoring out the team to the Isle of Wight.

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This is where you are wrong.

This is the most disgraceful bit of the whole thing.

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170 years of the British trying to win it back is the main burnishing of the history of the AC & the reason that the AC remains the most sought after trophy in sailing if not in sport outright.

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The entire founding principal of the DoG is at stake:

'You want to take it to your home waters? Come win it off me!'

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As a pre-event/exhibition race/ACWS I am 100% for it and probably among the most excited about the prospect of seeing these things truly stretch their legs around a decent length course.

But it MUST NOT be the AC Match unless the brits actually won the AC somewhere else first.

However all current teams appear happy with the AC75 and agree there needs to be stability with the class.

If the teams are ok with the AC75 there is no need to put a DoG breach into the Protocol.

You can just nudge nudge, wink wink it like happened for J, 12m & IACC across multiple events.

You should however make sure you get the class on the books as an International Class & make sure the design/rule IP is properly lodged with ACPI so that there is no cuntyness about the IP like Coutts tried over the graphics (& I think the AC55 rule) when someone eventually wins off TNZ.

 

[Forourselves]

Me? Understand? Are you suggesting I am attractive enough to sell my body? NICE!

I'm not particularly worried about whoring out the team to the Isle of Wight. Besides, I think it is a negotiation ploy with the Government.

I am however seriously fucked off about trying to entrench the AC75s for 2 cup cycles.

If you remember correctly, a LOT of Kiwis were apoplectic at Oracle when they tried something similar in Bermuda. But this is worse because ETNZ are suggesting that they will reject you entry if you don't sign up for it.

So, if ETNZ push ahead with that then I am happy for them to fold.

A lot were apoplectic because of the antics that preceded the Framework. Oracle had already been done for breach of contract which endangered ETNZs campaign at that time. The agreement itself was merely the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. ETNZ can not reject any entry as long as it meets the criteria in the protocol and DoG. Like we’ve all said the whole time, the sky isn’t falling. There is NO WAY they can force anything on anyone past the validity of the AC37 protocol. ETNZ knows it, INEOS Team UK knows it, and the prospective teams know it. That is the reason it’s written into the protocol in the first place. Teams can and will agree to it but it is non binding. What Oracle did was try to work out an agreement independent of the previously agreed to America’s Cup protocol. That’s the difference.

 

[Rennmaus]

Yeah, I remember that.

It was even in one of the old timey movies about Australia II so presumably it was a thing right up until 1983.

IIRC America even tried to ban Oz II because they claimed it was tank tested in the Netherlands.

That I remember. But somehow I did not link it to a nat. rule for the designers. Wow, cool thing, I want that back  . 

 

[The Advocate]

A lot were apoplectic because of the antics that preceded the Framework. Oracle had already been done for breach of contract which endangered ETNZs campaign at that time. The agreement itself was merely the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. ETNZ can not reject any entry as long as it meets the criteria in the protocol and DoG. Like we’ve all said the whole time, the sky isn’t falling. There is NO WAY they can force anything on anyone past the validity of the AC37 protocol. ETNZ knows it, INEOS Team UK knows it, and the prospective teams know it. That is the reason it’s written into the protocol in the first place. Teams can and will agree to it but it is non binding. What Oracle did was try to work out an agreement independent of the previously agreed to America’s Cup protocol. That’s the difference.

There is no protocol when a challenge is received. You talk a lot but I think you know shit from clay.

 

[Thewas]

I wonder if they'll allow Ben a new set of foils......probably will.......

Didn't  they already said something about a 1 boat campaign? wasn't it referred to AC37?

 

[The Advocate]

I wonder if they'll allow Ben a new set of foils......probably will.......

Didn't  they already said something about a 1 boat campaign? wasn't it referred to AC37?

Hair foils for highlights?

 

[Rhumline]

Here's the story.

The Americas Cup is a contest between bona fide yacht clubs representing different nations, sailed in the waters of the defender

If ETNZ is to be regarded as representing our nation:

- The next Cup will be sailed in the open sea in the defending country (in this case NZ)

- It will be sailed in vessels that won't fall apart in +/- 10 knots over prescribed limits - AC75's qualify (just)

- Charlie Barr excepted, we as fanboys/girls (NZ'ers, Italians. Poms Italians or anyone else) will expect that the team reflects us as a nation - and have a genuine belief that our team represents our country.

If ETNZ can't guarantee this, they should peddle their wares to the highest-paying billionare and stop fucking around.

The Government and Auckland City should wish them all the best and say sayonara.

Take your money... but stop calling yourselves "Team New Zealand".

 

[The Advocate]

Here's the story.

The Americas Cup is a contest between bona fide yacht clubs representing different nations, sailed in the waters of the defender

If ETNZ is to be regarded as representing our nation:

- The next Cup will be sailed in the open sea in the defending country (in this case NZ)

- It will be sailed in vessels that won't fall apart in +/- 10 knots over prescribed limits - AC75's qualify (just)

- Charlie Barr excepted, we as fanboys/girls (NZ'ers, Italians. Poms Italians or anyone else) will expect that the team reflects us as a nation - and have a genuine belief that our team represents our country.

If ETNZ can't guarantee this, they should peddle their wares to the highest-paying billionare and stop fucking around.

The Government and Auckland City should wish them all the best and say sayonara.

Take your money... but stop calling yourselves "Team New Zealand".

I still have like left today, but thought this deserves a traditional +1 as well.

Bravo.

 

[marlowe]

More accurately:


Paul Elvstrøm


 "You haven't won the race, if in winning the race you have lost the respect of your competitors."

"The Cup says otherwise."

ANONYMOUS

 

[Salty Seacock]

We won. Next cup is harder to defend according to history.

Who will be the naming rights sponsor this time?

 

[strider470]

We won. Next cup is harder to defend according to history.

Who will be the naming rights sponsor this time?

I would suggest Ineos to remain in the family

 

[dg_sailingfan]

We won. Next cup is harder to defend according to history.

Who will be the naming rights sponsor this time?

INEOS or EMIRATES (if Emirates choose to continue)
I doubt it will be PRADA!