Emirates Team New Zealand.

[enigmatically2]

Also of course 4idiot always tells us its a national team. If it is then public interest becomes relevant. 

 

[dogwatch]

Because the team was partially funded by govt money?

That would be a matter for the government then.

 

[dogwatch]

Maybe not "need" but what about "choose"?

Not relevant in the context. Never heard of being successfully sued for not choosing a nicer than necessary option. 

 

[enigmatically2]

That would be a matter for the government then.

True, but it is not unknown for someone to bring a lawsuit to force a govt  to enforce something

 

[Forourselves]

Also of course 4idiot always tells us its a national team. If it is then public interest becomes relevant. 

The "Team" has been partially funded with public money. Who ever this clown is isn't suing the team, he's suing the Squadron.

The Squadron isn't concerned with Government/ public money, the team is (or has been). 2 separate entities.

The public aren't stakeholders if they're not invested in the Team or the event. They're merely spectators to it. Interest yes, investment? Not so much.

Anyway, I see you've given up on the womens rugby discussion lol

 

[enigmatically2]

Anyway, I see you've given up on the womens rugby discussion lol

Not at all. After England beat you in consecutive matches by record scores this year, I will be looking forward to the WC with great interest. Until then we are the winners and you are the hater in your view of the world

 

[pusslicker]

Anyway, I see you've given up on the womens rugby discussion lol

Are you really discussing women's rugby? You might have found a sport that even less people care about than the AC. Kiwis must dominate it then.

 

[Chobani Sailor]

The "Team" has been partially funded with public money. Who ever this clown is isn't suing the team, he's suing the Squadron.

The Squadron isn't concerned with Government/ public money, the team is (or has been). 2 separate entities.

The public aren't stakeholders if they're not invested in the Team or the event. They're merely spectators to it. Interest yes, investment? Not so much.

Anyway, I see you've given up on the womens rugby discussion lol

He is just threatening to sue in hopes that it doesn't go to the Middle East.  If this ends up in Malaga, which is becoming more likely every day, Emirates will be announcing daily non-stop flights via Dubai from Auckland to Malaga.

 

[floater]

there you go. Kiwi's will get to watch after all. courtesy Emirates.

 

[floater]

from Scuttlebutt. sometimes, things are just as they seem: 

"Peter Burling and Blair Tuke are the Batman and Robin of New Zealand. Their combined efforts have won a pile of World titles, two Olympic medals, and two America’s Cups. Together they’ve been recipients of the Rolex World Sailor of the Year Award.

It would almost seem unfathomable that two key cogs of New Zealand’s America’s Cup machine to not be critical members of their next defense, yet they have not signed with the Kiwi team. Despite nationality rules in place for the 2024 event which limit their options to help other teams, their hesitancy to commit may have nothing to do with sailing.

This dynamic duo founded marine conservation charity Live Ocean to help safeguard the oceans and raise awareness of their importance to the health of the planet. Such a righteous goal requires righteous partners, and the possibility of the America’s Cup team management accepting Saudi Arabian support to host the event in Jeddah might be more than they can stomach.

With a home defense seemingly unlikely due to funding needs, the offshore options have been revealed to be Ireland, Spain, and Saudi Arabia, with Burling and Tuke having expressed reservations about the prospect of the Cup being held in Jeddah.

Clearly, an America’s Cup fed on oil money in a country with questionable human rights issues, wouldn’t sit comfortably with the conservation work which is a real passion for them now.

Depending on how you read the tea leaves, the signing by Team New Zealand of Australian helmsman Nathan Outteridge says the duo has one foot out the door if Jeddah is the leading contender, while chief operations officer Kevin Shoebridge says they want to keep Burling and Tuke in their afterguard.

“You can never have too many good people … the best scenario is they are all sitting on the boat,” said Shoebridge, though he admits it’s not as simple as it used to be. “They have a lot on their plate, and we have a lot on our plate. We need full commitment … we have got to hope we can merge the two sides together.

“They are very passionate about the Cup, but we have to be firing on all cylinders to be able to beat these challengers, and we have to know what we have got.”

 

[Stingray~]

We need full commitment … we have got to hope we can merge the two sides together.

“They are very passionate about the Cup, but we have to be firing on all cylinders to be able to beat these challengers, and we have to know what we have got.”

Looks like they want a total and exclusive commitment to AC37 from them. They may have gotten that from Nathan?

 

[Stingray~]

He is just threatening to sue in hopes that it doesn't go to the Middle East.

Farmer was targeting the eventuality of it going to Jeddah but Ted is saying if it's anywhere offshore he'll start court proceedings.

 

[Forourselves]

Farmer was targeting the eventuality of it going to Jeddah but Ted is saying if it's anywhere offshore he'll start court proceedings.

Than he’s wasting his and everyone else’s time and money. 

 

[dg_sailingfan]

Look Clownray,

These guys can say whatever they want Grant Dalton will not carve to them!

 

[dogwatch]

 Ted is saying if it's anywhere offshore he'll start court proceedings.

Correct. His statement had nothing to do with KSA in particular.

 

[Forourselves]

Not at all. After England beat you in consecutive matches by record scores this year, I will be looking forward to the WC with great interest. Until then we are the winners and you are the hater in your view of the world

There you go, its not that hard is it!?

The difference is I don't bag and bitch and moan about them every chance I get, unlike you.

The fact is, the better team will win, and at the World Cup, we lost to the better team on the day, who lost to the better team on the day.

The other widely known, and widely acknowledged fact is, the Black Ferns are, and have been the benchmark, through sheer dominance. 5 World cups is proof of that.

The All Blacks are and have been the benchmark through sheer dominance. That much is widely acknowledged throughout the rugby community, which is why defeating the All Blacks is hailed as such an achievement. No one cares if the All Blacks beat the French, or the English, or the Irish, or the Italians, or the Aussies, or the Boks, because its pretty much expected, or more likely than the other way around.

The scorecards speak for themselves, but there is no denying the ABs, Black Ferns, and Emirates Team NZ are the benchmark in their respective competitions.

So instead of bitching and moaning like a little baby about Dalton and his decision to go offshore, which clearly was made in the best interests of his team which is Daltons first and foremost priority as CEO, why don't you just put on your big boy pants and support INEOS the way you support the Womens English rugby team? 

Now wouldn't that be a change! 

 

[shebeen]

More legal tilting at windmills, as reported in NZ Herald, 22/12/2021 (Abridged)

A retired appellate judge, who early in his career was instrumental in preventing the All Blacks from touring South Africa in 1985, has put Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron on notice that he will sue it if it allows the America's Cup defence to be taken offshore. Sir Edmund Thomas, who briefly served as a judge on the Supreme Court, also indicated he could use the discovery process to examine the relationship between the squadron, Team New Zealand and its chief executive, Grant Dalton.

While the next venue for the America's Cup is yet to be determined, both the squadron and Team New Zealand have made a series of claims that they are unlikely to be able to fund a credible defence in New Zealand. On December 7, the Herald revealed that Dalton had told RNZYS members who were agitating to force the defence to be held locally, that the syndicate could collapse within months and be placed into liquidation if it was not able to take it offshore. The Herald report prompted Sir Edmund to write to RNZYS chief executive Hayden Porter, asking him to inform its office holders that they were on notice that he was prepared to take them to court.

Sir Edmund, widely known simply as "Ted", told Porter that it was "difficult to accept" the reported claims given the success of Team New Zealand in defending the America's Cup in March. "I believe that the defence of the Cup should take place in New Zealand. The public interest is involved, and I would wish to promote the public interest."

A former Russell McVeagh partner who became a QC in 1981, he later became a judge, serving on the Court of Appeal between 1995 and 2001. He was brought out of retirement in 2005 to be an acting judge on the Supreme Court in 2005. Sir Edmund is also a former director on the board of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand.

In his letter to the squadron, Sir Edmund referenced the proceedings, saying a move to take the cup overseas was also likely to breach the deed of gift which established the rules for the world's oldest international sporting trophy, and the squadron's own rules. "I am of the view that similar proceedings would be viable to stop any attempt by the RNZYS to hold the defence of the Cup at an overseas venue. I would have no hesitation in initiating such proceedings. Indeed, I have already taken steps to arrange for a firm of solicitors to be the solicitors on the record." The letter also appeared to contain a warning for Dalton that his relationship with the syndicate - and the squadron - would be examined as part of the proceedings. "I will wish, through discovery, to explore further the relationship between the RNZYS and Team New Zealand/Dalton," Sir Edmund wrote. "On the face of it, the delegation of the Squadron's powers to that entity (and Dalton) go well beyond the Squadron's lawful bounds. What may have been appropriate (and legal) when challenging for the Cup is not necessarily appropriate (and legal) when the Squadron is the holder of the Cup."

In a statement, Porter [RNZYS] said the squadron had not replied to the letter. "We do not respond to unsolicited advice from people who are not members. Our view is that Sir Edmund Thomas' advice is based on an incomplete and/or inaccurate set of facts and does not reflect the current circumstances."

"The squadron was working with its external solicitors to ensure that it fully complied with its duties and obligations under the Deed of Gift," Porter said, with the protocol agreed with challenger of record Ineos.

"The introduction of the Protocol, with mutual consent of the Defender and Challenger, will now govern the staging of AC37. The terms of the Deed only then apply if there is an absence of mutual consent."

Team New Zealand said its response "simply mirrors that of the RNZYS with whom we are totally aligned". It did not respond to questions about Sir Edmund's warning that it may examine the relationship between the team, Dalton and the squadron.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/retired-senior-judge-warns-squadron-hell-sue-if-it-takes-americas-cup-offshore/SVPBLL3A6SCR7WT4KGQWJHEGA4/

I assume he knows about the US defence of AC35 in Bermuda, don't think the DoG is going to be problem here. 

Quite surprising that NZ gov funding for AC36 wasn't conditional on home defence for AC37, but clearly it wasn't otherwise that would have been brought up by now.

Either way it seems this issue is not going away quietly.

 

[Stingray~]

I assume he knows about the US defence of AC35 in Bermuda, don't think the DoG is going to be problem here. 

Noone took GGYC to task over that, so hard to say. I have no idea if Ted's proceedings will be successful or not but the potential is there for (at minimum) some venue-discussion and therefore decision complications, also including on the timing.

 

[atwinda]

It will be really interesting if someone does bring a case, and who it's actually against. I think the only plausible approach (in complete laymans terms) is going after RNZYS for not fulfilling their duty as trustees. Which, I'm not even sure what those consist of, or even if they are directly defined in the Deed. Maybe one of the legal eagles could shed some light on that? However, I suspect that the contact between RNZYS and ETNZ to be pretty comprehensive and robust, and that questions regarding the venue location will be skirted to mutual consent between the Defender and Challenger.

Either way, going after some potentially undefined duties or requirements, or fighting against long standing mutual consent tradition is probably a waste of everyone's time and resources. However, this being the America's Cup and all, that could be exactly what this is all about- wasting ETNZ time and resources.

 

[dg_sailingfan]

It will be really interesting if someone does bring a case, and who it's actually against. I think the only plausible approach (in complete laymans terms) is going after RNZYS for not fulfilling their duty as trustees. Which, I'm not even sure what those consist of, or even if they are directly defined in the Deed. Maybe one of the legal eagles could shed some light on that? However, I suspect that the contact between RNZYS and ETNZ to be pretty comprehensive and robust, and that questions regarding the venue location will be skirted to mutual consent between the Defender and Challenger.

Either way, going after some potentially undefined duties or requirements, or fighting against long standing mutual consent tradition is probably a waste of everyone's time and resources. However, this being the America's Cup and all, that could be exactly what this is all about- wasting ETNZ time and resources.

Do you really think Grant Dalton, Kevin Shoebridge, Russell Green & Co. care about if a case is been brought or not? They are all 3 confident that ETNZ/RNZYS can win otherwise they would have accepted an offer from Farmer for mediation already.