tybee
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well, mississippi ain't the most advanced state in the union...
EV car thread?
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fufkin
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Apparently Tesla’s are now having a free for all owners. As long as you’ve got the app, take one for a spin. Don’t worry if it’s not even yours, as long as the real owner doesn’t notice, you’ll have enough time to pick up the kids at school and drop em off at home before returning to the scene.
Not kidding. This actually just happened to a guy in Vancouver who just accidentally drove the wrong side by side Tesla away and the app and whatever the fuck the car’s security system is didn’t seem to mind.
What’s next. Someone’s Tesla gets restless in the middle of the night and self drives itself off the driveway and onto the freeway in search of a fire truck?
I’ve got no idea how people put up with this shit.
Not kidding. This actually just happened to a guy in Vancouver who just accidentally drove the wrong side by side Tesla away and the app and whatever the fuck the car’s security system is didn’t seem to mind.
What’s next. Someone’s Tesla gets restless in the middle of the night and self drives itself off the driveway and onto the freeway in search of a fire truck?
I’ve got no idea how people put up with this shit.
billy backstay
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Sounds more like the auto "stealership" lobby paid off the politicians, nothing to see here, move along......
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Bus Driver
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One of the reasons we've held off on an EV. Insurance premium would more than double.
I read a story (thought I posted it in this thread) about a shitload of low mileage EVs being totaled and scrapped, for just this reason.
Scratched EV battery? Your insurer may have to junk the whole car
I read a story (thought I posted it in this thread) about a shitload of low mileage EVs being totaled and scrapped, for just this reason.
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I have money burning a hole in my pocket for 2 new vehicles. EV is not in the running but one or two Hybrids are. In my research I have seen insurance bump’s mentioned several times and that one should check with your insurance company and see just what the extra cost would be. One of the Hybrids I am considering would be the new Prius, I’d have to actually sit in one first. After riding high in SUV’s for 30 years and enjoying the safety of the better visibility and mass it would take some getting used to. We did have a Rabbit diesel back in the day and the mileage always put a smile on my face.
Thing is with both of us retired now we really don’t put enough miles on for the mileage savings to be much of a factor.
A maintained ICE would certainly outlast a Hybrid.
billy backstay
Backstay, never bought a suit, never went to Vegas
Good to know, thanks!! I am also probably taking a wait and see attitude for now....
At some point, they'll mandate a flat pricing, bake that extra cost into the broader market, and just make everyone pay the premium - the thumb is already on the scales, the government is not going to overlook something as trivial as insurance premiums for very long.
I'm a HUGE fan of improved efficiency and right-sizing vehicles. I like high efficiency ICEs. I like hybrids. I even like EVs for certain applications. One of my old corworkers had a PERFECT use case - 5 days, back and forth city driving, 8 miles, 21 stops. Charged his Leaf, drove to work, drove home, plugged it in, repeat. BEAUTIFUL. Perfect car for the job. Saved more gas-equivalent in a week than one of my neighbors wasted warming up their surburban every morning. I would love to see some innovation into warming up cars in the morning so idiot neighbors wouldn't have the excuse to idle their behemoth for 20 minutes.
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It’s not the government’s place to put their thumbs on the scale of adopting EV’s when we have hundreds of years of gas and diesel while the market place sorts it out.
Too many flaws in the Green agenda, if they were serious about efficient electrical energy we should be mandating nuclear power. Petroleum fuel for vehicles is something less than 10% of petroleum end use.
IStream
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Here's some, you know, actual auto insurance annual premium data, in case anyone's interested (four drivers, including two teens, full coverage on all cars):
2005 Dodge RAM 3500, $765.11
2008 Honda Accord, $937.96
2016 Kia Sedona, $1207.66
2023 Chevy Bolt EUV, $1647.27
About half the cost of coverage scales with the Blue Book value of the car so newer cars, regardless of whether ICE or EV, cost more to insure. In 7 years, I fully expect my new Bolt to cost about what my 2016 Kia costs to insure today, adjusted for inflation.
2005 Dodge RAM 3500, $765.11
2008 Honda Accord, $937.96
2016 Kia Sedona, $1207.66
2023 Chevy Bolt EUV, $1647.27
About half the cost of coverage scales with the Blue Book value of the car so newer cars, regardless of whether ICE or EV, cost more to insure. In 7 years, I fully expect my new Bolt to cost about what my 2016 Kia costs to insure today, adjusted for inflation.
Insurance is strange as my 2007 Base Impreza cost still cost more to Insure to Insure than my 2019 Silverado nicely equipped
Apparently they consider the Subaru a high risk car
The current EV issue is minor battery/container damage is getting the cars totaled as while recycling is getting better there is way right now for cost effective repairs on the battery
The Suburu Impreza IS a high risk car, because so many teeny boppers own them and it's a favorite car to mod, turbo, and race. It's a sports car.
IStream
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I'll trust my insurance company's actuarial tables and premium rates over any sort of popular media coverage of this issue. Beyond that, there's the fact that Tesla is still the EV market share leader (for now) and they're the only company that's gone all-in on unserviceable (and much more difficult to recycle) battery packs.
GM's Ultium architecture is designed to be serviceable and they require their EV-certified dealers to have a battery lift to facilitate it. Heck, even my Bolt's battery is serviceable. Ford is the same, as are most of the other manufacturers.
As usual, the devil's in the details and if this really is a significant issue, I wouldn't be surprised to see Teslas get punitive insurance rates going forward.
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Mike in Seattle
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, update on the Ford battery fire ,
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EXTREMELY difficult to extinguish that type of fire!
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Pretty specific and while I bitch about computers this is an example of something they do really well being able to trace a problem thru manufacturing/parts tracking. I bitch softly since I am using one and don't want them to revolt. This was written by a real person and not one of those chat bobs.
