EV car thread?

[Olsonist]

One of the reasons we've held off on an EV. Insurance premium would more than double.

Scratched EV battery? Your insurer may have to junk the whole car​

I read a story (thought I posted it in this thread) about a shitload of low mileage EVs being totaled and scrapped, for just this reason.

I think this refers to the Tesla Model Y's structural battery pack. I don't know that it applies to any other EV.

The structural battery pack takes unibody construction a little further and reduces weight by about 15%. I haven't heard about scratched EV battery packs or high insurance on the Tesla and EV forums I follow which are mostly Teslarati and teslamotorsclub.com.

However, I do have a dog in this fight because I'm sorta kinda in the market and I'm NOT going to buy a Y until I figure this out. Luckily, I have a rather nice S and so there's no hurry. I am looking at other EVs as well.

 

[Bagheera]

One of the reasons we've held off on an EV. Insurance premium would more than double.

I went from a junky old 4runner to a fairly new Nissan Leaf and there was no difference in premium.

As for totalling a car for a scratched battery. You'd have to work really hard on doing that. Mine has a protective plate that is not part of the battery and would take quite a lot of abuse to get punctured.

 

[BeSafe]

The problem with a battery pack aren't punctures but cracked leads. There are hundreds of serial\parallel connections and the problem is current distribution across blocks of batteries during charging. It's practically impossible to rebuild a battery pack if it's aged.

Can an individual rebuild one? Sure. Can a company rebuild one and guarantee performance and safety? Absolutely not worth it.

 

[Bagheera]

The problem with a battery pack aren't punctures but cracked leads.

In order for the battery to get any scratching or other form of damage, the protective plate needs to be punctured first.

 

[BeSafe]

Not necessarily. Blunt force trauma from an impact can crack the junctions. It's more akin to a concussion and less akin to a knife wound.

 

[IStream]

The batteries are generally in a structural case that is not only strong enough to support the substantial weight of the batteries themselves, but also to add rigidity to the vehicle. In addition, there's usually a skid plate mounted below the case and it's surrounded by the vehicle frame on all sides, including crush zones.

If a collision event is energetic enough to crush or puncture the battery case, the accident is unlikely to be one you'll walk away from.

 

[dyslexic dog]

Saw a Lucid car today. Very impressive looking and I looked at the specs, 1000 hp, 0-60 in 2 secs and a 500 mile range. Tell me again how the ICE is going to remain relevant?

 

[tybee]

Saw a Lucid car today. Very impressive looking and I looked at the specs, 1000 hp, 0-60 in 2 secs and a 500 mile range. Tell me again how the ICE is going to remain relevant?

cost.

 

[dyslexic dog]

cost.

I saw $85K - 120K on varies sources. I should a took a pic. It was a nice looking gold car, really stood out on the street.

 

[Bagheera]

cost.

My EV is less than 15% of the running cost of the ICE I had before. Purchase cost is 'earned back' in less than 3 years. So why would cost be an issue?

 

[trt131]

Whilst getting everybody to drive an EV would hardly affect the overall pollution from ICE engines. How many big trucks are spewing stuff into the atmosphere. Do you really think there is technology today that can be put into use for big trucks. Just look at the huge loads they are hauling all over the country. Put a boat trailer on your EV and see what happens to your milage.

 

[Mid]

Do you really think there is technology today that can be put into use for big trucks.

 

[trt131]

Most of those are vapourware. Two things jump out immediately, payload and range and EV dont have that.
If we stopped pumping oil out of the ground it is not just fuel.
A partial list of products made from Petroleum (6000 items). One 42-gallon barrel of oil creates 19.4 gallons of gasoline. The rest (over half) is used to make things like: All plastic is made from petroleum and plastic is used almost everywhere: in cars, houses, toys, computers and clothing. Asphalt used in road construction is a petroleum product as is the synthetic rubber in the tires. Paraffin wax comes from petroleum, as do fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, detergents, phonograph records, photographic film, furniture, packaging materials, surfboards, paints, and artificial fibers used in clothing, upholstery, and carpet backing. Solvents Diesel Motor Oil Bearing Grease Ink Floor Wax Ballpoint Pens Football Cleats Upholstery Sweaters Boats Insecticides Bicycle Tires Sports Car Bodies Nail Polish Fishing lures Dresses Tires Golf Bags Perfumes Cassettes Dishwasher Tool Boxes Shoe Polish Motorcycle Helmet Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape CD Player Faucet Washers Antiseptics Clothesline Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes Dashboards Cortisone Deodorant Footballs Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant Percolators Life Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs Electrician's Tape Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint Mops Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair Coloring Roofing Toilet Seats Fishing Rods Lipstick Denture Adhesive Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber Speakers Plastic Wood Electric Blankets Glycerin Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fishing Boots Dice Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint Water Pipes Hand Lotion Roller Skates Surf Boards Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Glasses Antifreeze Football Helmets Awnings Eyeglasses Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs Combs CD's Paint Brushes Detergents Vaporizers Balloons Sun Glasses Tents Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones Enamel Pillows Dishes Cameras Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages Dentures Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers Cold cream Movie film Soft Contact lenses Drinking Cups Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream Ammonia Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste Gasoline Ink Dishwashing liquids Paint brushes Telephones Toys Unbreakable dishes Insecticides Antiseptics Dolls Car sound insulation Fishing lures Deodorant Tires Motorcycle helmets Linoleum Sweaters Tents Refrigerator linings Paint rollers Floor wax Shoes Electrician's tape Plastic wood Model cars Glue Roller-skate wheels Trash bags Soap dishes Skis Permanent press clothes Hand lotion Clothesline Dyes Soft contact lenses Shampoo Panty hose Cameras Food preservatives Fishing rods Oil filters Combs Transparent tape Anesthetics Upholstery Dice Disposable diapers TV cabinets Cassettes Mops Sports car bodies Salad bowls House paint Purses Electric blankets Awnings Ammonia Dresses Car battery cases Safety glass Hair curlers Pajamas Synthetic rubber VCR tapes Eyeglasses Pillows Vitamin capsules Movie film Ice chests Candles Rubbing alcohol Loudspeakers Ice buckets Boats Ice cube trays Credit cards Fertilizers Crayons Insect repellent Water pipes Toilet seats Caulking Roofing shingles Fishing boots Life jackets Balloons Shower curtains Garden hose Golf balls Curtains Plywood adhesive Umbrellas Detergents Milk jugs Beach umbrellas Rubber cement Sun glasses Putty Faucet washers Cold cream Bandages Tool racks Antihistamines Hair coloring Nail polish Slacks Drinking cups Guitar strings False teeth Yarn Petroleum jelly Toothpaste Golf bags Roofing Tennis rackets Toothbrushes Perfume Luggage Wire insulation Folding doors Shoe polish Fan belts Ballpoint pens Shower doors Cortisone Carpeting Artificial turf Heart valves LP records Lipstick Artificial limbs Hearing aids Vaporizers Aspirin Shaving cream Wading pools Parachutes Americans consume petroleum products at a rate of three-and-a-half gallons of oil and more than 250 cubic feet of natural gas per day each!

But, as shown here petroleum is not just used for fuel.

 

[Priscilla]

Do you really think there is technology today that can be put into use for big trucks.

New breed of electric trucks put to work on Central Interceptor

It comes amid Kiwi research to radically reshape how electric vehicles work, with a plan dubbed "power snacking".

www.1news.co.nz

 

[LB 15]

 

[LB 15]

 

[Bagheera]

Put a boat trailer on your EV and see what happens to your milage.

I pull 4000 pound loads with my Nissan Leaf. Mileage only seems to drop about 25-30%. Just as the mileage drop on any ICE engine for a given rank volume.

 

[Bagheera]

A partial list of products made from Petroleum (6000 items)

There is only a limited supply of oil on this planet and we are using it a lot faster than it is replenished. That is what makes it so incredibly dumb to burn it in an ICE engine at a well to wheel efficiency of just a little over 10%.

 

[Bagheera]

@LB 15, would you like a list of anything that goes wrong with gasoline, propane, diesel and other petroleum products?
The little bit of research on statistics that has been done shows that per driven mile a gasoline car is 11 times more likely to completely burn to the ground than an EV.

 

[LB 15]

The little bit of research on statistics that has been done shows that per driven mile a gasoline car is 11 times more likely to completely burn to the ground than an EV.

The little bit of research is why you should be skeptical. Do you 'little bit of research' show many petrol cars suddenly combusting for no apparent reason? Don't get me wrong I think EV's are great for you inner city boys. Just perfect for taking your miniature poodles to their grooming appointment. Or getting to that LGPTQ rally.
I just don't want one of the fucking dangerous things anywhere near me.