F-18 Brash Talking

[drew584]

Just read a post abut an 18 boat east coast F-18 event on catsailingnews.com written by Jeff Dusek, the east coast F-18 class chairman.

Jeff states that while he might like to try an A-Class, it's not the "flagship" of multihull racing like the F-18 class is. He also states that the F-18 class is THE place for high performance small boat racing on the east coast.

Jeff, we are all a community. Making statements like that fractures the community. The A-Class is a singlehanded class. You are doublehanded. I recommend not making statements that one is better than the other. We don't do that about your class.

Some facts this year that tend to at least question Jeff's perspective:

Arguably one of the best F-18 sailors in the world finished 18th of 99 boats at the recent European Championship. That sailor is an incredible talent and I expect he has the potential to be a top five finisher at the 2012 A-Class WC but it shows the depth of the A-Class at any major event.

Arguably one of the best F-18 sailors in the US struggled to finish in the top ten at a US A-Class midwinter event this spring, same argument and points.

We had 28-36 boats at each of three midwinter circuit events this spring and 46 boats in Houston at a regional event that was called the Nationals as our North Americans was not held this year due to the October WC.

The class just approved making the WC an open event (it has always been limited to 100 boats). We are hoping for +100 boats this fall in Islamorada at the 2012 WC.

I wish Jeff and the F-18 class the best. I hope the September WC is the best ever. I hope the class continues to prosper and I always try to push new or interested sailors towards the class if they tell me they want to get into a high performance doublehanded cat.

We should minimize one class is better than the other banter on the internet. Some folks still love to race their Hobie 16 and I guarantee you that the best A-Cat and F-18 talent would probably not be able to place in the top ten at a Hobie 16 WC unless they committed a lot of time to the class. Strength and diversity in a lot of classes will continue to grow multihull sailing. We should all work together on that goal.

I know we post a lot on this forum about the A-class and some people might get tired of it but we want the SA community to know what is going on in our class as we believe the SA community is a great source to attract and recruit new sailors. Likewise, I'd love to read about the latest and greatest in the F-18 and F-16 classes on this forum as they still might be in my future, look forward to that.

Kumbaya!

So you think the A class is the Flagship of cat sailing?

I have a feeling that the new Nacra 17 just might put it there, its gunna end up cheaper than the F18 and its faster also olympic class, why buy a f18 when the 17 out does it?

cheaper? really, whats the final cost to get one to america?

 

[GybeSet]

 

[macca]

Just read a post abut an 18 boat east coast F-18 event on catsailingnews.com written by Jeff Dusek, the east coast F-18 class chairman.

Jeff states that while he might like to try an A-Class, it's not the "flagship" of multihull racing like the F-18 class is. He also states that the F-18 class is THE place for high performance small boat racing on the east coast.

Jeff, we are all a community. Making statements like that fractures the community. The A-Class is a singlehanded class. You are doublehanded. I recommend not making statements that one is better than the other. We don't do that about your class.

Some facts this year that tend to at least question Jeff's perspective:

Arguably one of the best F-18 sailors in the world finished 18th of 99 boats at the recent European Championship. That sailor is an incredible talent and I expect he has the potential to be a top five finisher at the 2012 A-Class WC but it shows the depth of the A-Class at any major event.

Arguably one of the best F-18 sailors in the US struggled to finish in the top ten at a US A-Class midwinter event this spring, same argument and points.

We had 28-36 boats at each of three midwinter circuit events this spring and 46 boats in Houston at a regional event that was called the Nationals as our North Americans was not held this year due to the October WC.

The class just approved making the WC an open event (it has always been limited to 100 boats). We are hoping for +100 boats this fall in Islamorada at the 2012 WC.

I wish Jeff and the F-18 class the best. I hope the September WC is the best ever. I hope the class continues to prosper and I always try to push new or interested sailors towards the class if they tell me they want to get into a high performance doublehanded cat.

We should minimize one class is better than the other banter on the internet. Some folks still love to race their Hobie 16 and I guarantee you that the best A-Cat and F-18 talent would probably not be able to place in the top ten at a Hobie 16 WC unless they committed a lot of time to the class. Strength and diversity in a lot of classes will continue to grow multihull sailing. We should all work together on that goal.

I know we post a lot on this forum about the A-class and some people might get tired of it but we want the SA community to know what is going on in our class as we believe the SA community is a great source to attract and recruit new sailors. Likewise, I'd love to read about the latest and greatest in the F-18 and F-16 classes on this forum as they still might be in my future, look forward to that.

Kumbaya!

So you think the A class is the Flagship of cat sailing?

I have a feeling that the new Nacra 17 just might put it there, its gunna end up cheaper than the F18 and its faster also olympic class, why buy a f18 when the 17 out does it?

Its faster and cheaper??? really? let me know when either of those are confirmed

 

[devon]

Just read a post abut an 18 boat east coast F-18 event on catsailingnews.com written by Jeff Dusek, the east coast F-18 class chairman.

Jeff states that while he might like to try an A-Class, it's not the "flagship" of multihull racing like the F-18 class is. He also states that the F-18 class is THE place for high performance small boat racing on the east coast.

Jeff, we are all a community. Making statements like that fractures the community. The A-Class is a singlehanded class. You are doublehanded. I recommend not making statements that one is better than the other. We don't do that about your class.

Some facts this year that tend to at least question Jeff's perspective:

Arguably one of the best F-18 sailors in the world finished 18th of 99 boats at the recent European Championship. That sailor is an incredible talent and I expect he has the potential to be a top five finisher at the 2012 A-Class WC but it shows the depth of the A-Class at any major event.

Arguably one of the best F-18 sailors in the US struggled to finish in the top ten at a US A-Class midwinter event this spring, same argument and points.

We had 28-36 boats at each of three midwinter circuit events this spring and 46 boats in Houston at a regional event that was called the Nationals as our North Americans was not held this year due to the October WC.

The class just approved making the WC an open event (it has always been limited to 100 boats). We are hoping for +100 boats this fall in Islamorada at the 2012 WC.

I wish Jeff and the F-18 class the best. I hope the September WC is the best ever. I hope the class continues to prosper and I always try to push new or interested sailors towards the class if they tell me they want to get into a high performance doublehanded cat.

We should minimize one class is better than the other banter on the internet. Some folks still love to race their Hobie 16 and I guarantee you that the best A-Cat and F-18 talent would probably not be able to place in the top ten at a Hobie 16 WC unless they committed a lot of time to the class. Strength and diversity in a lot of classes will continue to grow multihull sailing. We should all work together on that goal.

I know we post a lot on this forum about the A-class and some people might get tired of it but we want the SA community to know what is going on in our class as we believe the SA community is a great source to attract and recruit new sailors. Likewise, I'd love to read about the latest and greatest in the F-18 and F-16 classes on this forum as they still might be in my future, look forward to that.

Kumbaya!

So you think the A class is the Flagship of cat sailing?

I have a feeling that the new Nacra 17 just might put it there, its gunna end up cheaper than the F18 and its faster also olympic class, why buy a f18 when the 17 out does it?

Its faster and cheaper??? really? let me know when either of those are confirmed

Will do, should be soon as the very first used one becomes available, it will be a lot cheaper than a new F18, as for which one is faster take a look at the specs

 

[macca]

A used 17 cheaper than a new 18? What's the point of such a comparison?

For performance you can already always check the texel results for the course racing.

 

[devon]

A used 17 cheaper than a new 18? What's the point of such a comparison?

For performance you can already always check the texel results for the course racing.

will be a good comparison if that used 17 has won a gold medal at the Olympics, as for the texel results, the F18`s are at their peak but the 17 has a long way to go yet, they will get a lot faster, time will tell.

 

[macca]

A used 17 cheaper than a new 18? What's the point of such a comparison?

For performance you can already always check the texel results for the course racing.

will be a good comparison if that used 17 has won a gold medal at the Olympics, as for the texel results, the F18`s are at their peak but the 17 has a long way to go yet, they will get a lot faster, time will tell.

Its possible that the 17 will be close to the 18 upwind, but with the small kite its going to struggle downwind, no matter how good the crews are.

 

[Ventucky Red]

I have a feeling that the new Nacra 17 just might put it there, its gunna end up cheaper than the F18 and its faster also olympic class, why buy a f18 when the 17 out does it?

This has already been discussed here and on some other forums. The current opinion is that the F-18 class will remain strong with the top echelon of these sailors doing both the Olympic 17 and F-18 racing..

I tend to agree with this.

 

[Tornado_ALIVE]

But I can buy a second hand Camry cheaper than a new Corolla :lol: