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Thisnametaken

Thisnametaken

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Your Mom

Your Mom

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Refreshing to see a boat "do the right thing" after realizing "they did the wrong thing", particularly at that level.  Major international sport is littered with cases of high-level performers making a mistake and then fighting to try to prove that they didn't or that they should be exonerated or whatever.  Major mistake on their part, but classy decision to acknowledge the mistake.  (Assuming they did so, rather than just bring scored DNF independently by RORC).

For a lower-level program, it wouldn't be too hard a mistake to make...  You know the rock is a mark, and you know the TSS is a TSS...  They rounded the mark and avoided the TSS.  They just failed to realize that the TSS was also a mark.  But for a program at that level, that mistake shouldn't happen.  At least it didn't cost them a fleet podium or a line honors trophy.  Hopefully the owner had fun anyway.

 
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Livia

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Well done to Rambler, and the people on board.

Sad thing is that on the Australian scene they would have been some excuse, justification like:

"We are all pros who sail all over the world and you are a fuckwit for questioning us."

"We will lodge the declaration as see if we get away with it"

 
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Thisnametaken said:
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Your Mom said:
Refreshing to see a boat "do the right thing" after realizing "they did the wrong thing", particularly at that level.  Major international sport is littered with cases of high-level performers making a mistake and then fighting to try to prove that they didn't or that they should be exonerated or whatever.  Major mistake on their part, but classy decision to acknowledge the mistake.  (Assuming they did so, rather than just bring scored DNF independently by RORC).

For a lower-level program, it wouldn't be too hard a mistake to make...  You know the rock is a mark, and you know the TSS is a TSS...  They rounded the mark and avoided the TSS.  They just failed to realize that the TSS was also a mark.  But for a program at that level, that mistake shouldn't happen.  At least it didn't cost them a fleet podium or a line honors trophy.  Hopefully the owner had fun anyway.
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NSC (Not Sailed Course) is a score given by the Race Committee.  If it was the boat retiring then it would be scored RTD.

EDIT - I think retiring would be the correct thing to do.

 
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Your Mom

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Strong breeze out by Fastnet Rock now, with fast downwind conditions filling in from there toward the finish over the next day plus...  It'll be interesting to see if any of the IRC4 boats can go fast enough to move up the IRC Overall board, or if 3,5 days of slogging upwind is too much to overcome.

Looks like about a dozen boats remain to get around the rock.  A few more if you count the ones that haven't cleared the TSS on the return leg yet.  (With that wind angle, they won't really be able to bear off and go fast until after they clear the TSS).  I hope they can all get around without facing too much heavy stuff.

Funny, though...  It seems like more than half the boats that haven't reached the rock yet are IRC3, not IRC4.

FWIW, I kinda like what Xanaboo is doing.

 
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The 2021-2024 new RRS includes a new provision for the RC to score a boat NSC if there is evidence they did not sail the course.  In the past, someone would need to protest.

Easier for RC and PC, harder for competitors....but probably fair.

 
shanghaisailor

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I see a JPK1180 in with a shout of the overall at the moment

The Profit said:
The 2021-2024 new RRS includes a new provision for the RC to score a boat NSC if there is evidence they did not sail the course.  In the past, someone would need to protest.

Easier for RC and PC, harder for competitors....but probably fair.
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60.2  or 60.3 do not specify where information comes from except it cannot come from an invalid protest. The way the rules read generally if they don't say you can't do something then you can. So if the Race Committee or Protest Committee (or any member) actually viewed the tracker )live or in replay) and saw Rambler 88's track they could protest. 

The wording is unchanged since at least 2009

I dug deeper in my library and "When a race committee (a) sees an apparent infringement by a yacht......and shall act thereon in the same manner as if it had been a protest made by a competitor"

So the wording has changed but the basic intent remains the same.

The above is a quote from the Paul Elvstrom Explains The Racing Rules of Sailing 1967, my first rule book.

 
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DarkHorse said:
Where are the TP52s? They regularlly win most of the offshore events, yet I only see one IRC52 (Tala) sailing. Yes, no foils, but still some of the fastest boats around. just seems odd.
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Tala finished 3rd overall and 1st in division.  Not bad going.

 
Afrayedknot

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Everyone is talking about the semantics of retiring or DNF or disqualified. I cannot fathom how this would happen at this level. There’s like 5 marks of the course, the TSS being one of those. Again. I don’t want to get into semantics of what’s an obstruction or a mark. I really cannot believe what I was witnessing when they rounded the rock. Surely they will follow the course correctly I thought... Simply unforgivable...

 
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Autonomous

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We can put them in stocks to be humiliated by day and suffer unspeakable acts at night.

That would serve as a warning.

 
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