FBI storms Mar a Lago

[Voyageur]

You must have invested in battery banks and have your house off the grid running solar, congratulations!
The silly roof thingees are a scam

probably the wrong thread. Go dark brandon.

Toyota triples planned investment to $3.8 billion in U.S. battery plant

Toyota Motor Corp will boost its planned investment in a new U.S. battery plant from $1.29 billion to $3.8 billion, partly in response to rising consumer demand for electric vehicles, the company said on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Dog 2.0]

Why does it appear that the DoJ won't prosecute the obstruction charges, when even bottom feeding creatures like Dog 2.0, Semen warrior, and most of the others admit that the loser guy had the items described, and lied about having them, and then tried to hide them....
Why on earth would the DoJ not go full tits ahead on this? It makes no sense.

Well, we don't know that they won't. But they did set a problematic precedent with Hillary. Then after lying and falsifying evidence obtain a FISA warrant to spy on Trump and cooperating with the Democrat's fraudulent Russia Russia Russia hoax. Then spreading disinformation about Hunter's laptop prior to the election, all of which has resulted in a majority believing they are politicized, maybe they're being cautious out of concern for their reputation.......Nah!

 

[veni vidi vici]

probably the wrong thread. Go dark brandon.

Toyota triples planned investment to $3.8 billion in U.S. battery plant

Toyota Motor Corp will boost its planned investment in a new U.S. battery plant from $1.29 billion to $3.8 billion, partly in response to rising consumer demand for electric vehicles, the company said on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

The Communist Chinese company NIO is very impressive and planning on competing with Tesla and the other high end manufacturers. YouTube them, I have been in and out investing with the company, out now. They have a battery swap station plan and it takes about 10 minutes and you are off again driving

 

[Voyageur]

Well, we don't know that they won't. But they did set a problematic precedent with Hillary. Then after lying and falsifying evidence obtain a FISA warrant to spy on Trump and cooperating with the Democrat's fraudulent Russia Russia Russia hoax. Then spreading disinformation about Hunter's laptop prior to the election, all of which has resulted in a majority believing they are politicized, maybe they're being cautious out of concern for their reputation.......Nah!

You are really stupid, aren't you? The FBI is investigating the dumbest president ever, for crimes he has admitted to committing. This does put the DOJ at a disadvantage. Could the perp actually be that dumb, or is it just dementia?

 

[Voyageur]

The Communist Chinese company NIO is very impressive and planning on competing with Tesla and the other high end manufacturers. YouTube them, I have been in and out investing with the company, out now. They have a battery swap station plan and it takes about 10 minutes and you are off again driving

Why do you hate America so badly? you are, most likely, a, troll, from, O l g i n o. If not, explain, your, obsession, with "our" discourse.

 

[veni vidi vici]

You are really stupid, aren't you? The FBI is investigating the dumbest president ever, for crimes he has admitted to committing. This does put the DOJ at a disadvantage. Could the perp actually be that dumb, or is it just dementia?

Crimes???
No charges yet

 

[Stingray~]

Well, we don't know that they won't. But they did set a problematic precedent with Hillary.

That 'precedent' will not change anything at all, give it up.

The DoJ has him dead to rights, let's see what happens.

For the foreseeable future he will likely be squirming and attacking everyone in sight, especially as the flipping gets intense.

 

[Voyageur]

Crimes???
No charges yet

 

[bridhb]

That whole 'Some people are saying...' thing is quite cowardly.

It should have been more forceful, like Trump's "many people are saying".

 

[Raz'r]

You are really stupid, aren't you? The FBI is investigating the dumbest president ever, for crimes he has admitted to committing. This does put the DOJ at a disadvantage. Could the perp actually be that dumb, or is it just dementia?

Dementia might be hit Get out of Jail-Free card, so he can really own the libs!

 

[Raz'r]

Crimes???
No charges yet

The subpeona lays out the crimes being investigated. It's the Original @Dog 's trick to state that "no conviction, no crime, therefore no investigation needed" - but you ain't no Dog.

 

[βhyde]

Well, we don't know that they won't. But they did set a problematic precedent with Hillary. Then after lying and falsifying evidence obtain a FISA warrant to spy on Trump and cooperating with the Democrat's fraudulent Russia Russia Russia hoax. Then spreading disinformation about Hunter's laptop prior to the election, all of which has resulted in a majority believing they are politicized, maybe they're being cautious out of concern for their reputation.......Nah!

Now that your FBI-Wants-A-Riot and Classified-Markings-Not-Classified-Docs schtick got machine gunned out of the air, go back to the Hillary/Hunter/Russia (HHR?) triad of stupidity routine. I'm sure just a few hundred more times and everyone will believe it.

You're basically V3 without the pictures.

 

[Chris in Santa Cruz CA]

Reports out now that some docs which witnesses confirmed were previously in that traitorous bastards illegal residence before our govt finally came to collect our property were not in what was recovered and are assumed moved to another location by the ex traitor in chief.

 

[Raz'r]

Reports out now that some docs which witnesses confirmed were previously in that traitorous bastards illegal residence before our govt finally came to collect our property were not in what was recovered and are assumed moved to another location by the ex traitor in chief.

lock him up!

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

 

[Raz'r]

This is why Trump wants a special master. No other reason:
DOJ: “Appointment of a special master would undoubtedly delay both processes—including because a special master would likely need to obtain a security clearance and specific authorization from relevant entities within the Intelligence Community to review particularly sensitive materials.”

 

[Raz'r]

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Damn, there's more than a passing resemblance. The Hamberdler...

 

[Stingray~]

Another part hard to get over is why, when the 8/8 search happened, they got twice as much of the material as what got turned over on Jan 3. Holy crap!

 

[billy backstay]

My house is 100% solar. My installation was paid off in 3 years, and have more than paid for itself since and it's been 7 years now. Since 2015 I have generated 114 MWh of electricity, which based on MECO rates, is worth $38k.

Is this house in Maui, Vegas, or Boston? We got a quote for a ground unit and it was $45 more a month than we currently pay for electricity from Everource!! Can't do a roof mount, because all the south-facing trees shade the house quite well in summer, and the sun warms the house in winter when the leaves are down. Also, we like all the birds, and the trees just the way they are.
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[hobie1616]

Two of Trump’s post-FBI search defenses collapse

The way it worked with the Mar-a-Lago search is the way it worked with everything else in the preceding seven years.
Donald Trump’s immediate reaction was that he had been unfairly targeted by politically biased investigators, and the subsequent three weeks have been centered on proving that assertion. Make claim; cobble together the evidence later. Sort of a bizarro version of what the investigators are doing.

As the weeks passed, two particular lines of argument emerged. One suggested that the timing was suspicious: Why now, so close to the midterm elections? The other held that the search itself was unnecessary, given that Trump was complying with the federal government’s inquiry.

After the Justice Department’s legal filing submitted Tuesday night, both of those defenses seem to have collapsed entirely.

We should start with a critical caveat: Just because the Justice Department said something happened does not necessarily mean that it happened. Skepticism is warranted in the Justice Department’s presentation of the events that preceded the search for the simple reason that it is trying to present a particular case against Trump and therefore disinclined to offer exculpatory arguments. But, then, there’s a legal weight to the court filing that doesn’t apply to, say, a former president making assertions on a social media site.

With that in mind, let’s consider what the Justice Department claims.

The search conducted by the FBI at Mar-a-Lago took place on Aug. 8, slightly more than 90 days before the midterm elections. The Justice Department has an informal rule that it avoids “overt law enforcement and prosecutorial activities” (as its inspector general has put it in the past) within a window of 60 to 90 days before a federal election. In other words, the FBI may have timed the raid in part to avoid any effect on the midterms.

One question raised, then, is: How far from the election would have been considered acceptable by Trump’s allies? The Justice Department’s rule of thumb is two or three months. Is there some better standard to be applied? Or might we assume that the issue is less concern about how the search affects the midterms than the realization that citing the midterms might be useful in undermining the search?

What the court filing articulates in detail is why it took so long for the government to act at all. In short: because Trump and his team were dragging out the process.

The Washington Post’s Rosalind Helderman has a timeline of the effort to obtain the documents, but a few key dates serve to make the point.

• May 2021: The National Archives notices that some documents it expected to have (like the letters from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un) are not included in the Trump administration records. It sends a letter to Trump’s attorneys requesting pertinent material.
• December: After months of back-and-forth, Trump’s team cops to having documents that it agrees to turn over.
• January 2022: Fifteen boxes of material are transferred from Trump to the government. The Post reports that Trump was actively involved in selecting the material — and secretive about doing so.

Note that here, 10 months before the election, Trump could have turned over all of the pertinent material. At this point, he was expected to have done so. By late spring, though, the government became confident that he hadn’t.

• April and May: From interviews, the FBI determines that classified material is likely still to be at Mar-a-Lago.
• May 11: Trump receives a subpoena for any “documents bearing classification markings” — meaning even documents that might conceivably have been declassified. The deadline for compliance is May 24.
• June 3: Justice Department officials go to Mar-a-Lago and are given a packet of material that a Trump attorney attests to being the entirety of what was found in an extensive search for compliant documents.
• Later in June: The FBI interviews Mar-a-Lago staffers.
• June 22: After asking that Trump’s team secure a room where documents were being stored, the government issues a subpoena for surveillance footage from the area around the room.
• Friday, Aug. 5: A judge grants a search warrant that is executed on the following Monday.

According to this timeline, there was a period of about a month between the government’s request for surveillance video and its request for a search warrant. Could this period have been narrowed? Potentially. The Wall Street Journal reported that Attorney General Merrick Garland spent “weeks” considering whether to seek the search warrant. We don’t know if additional evidence emerged in that period to help convince him.

Regardless, consider it in the context of the overarching argument. Is an early July search significantly less intrusive than an early August one?

Of course, the timeline above also speaks to the idea that the Trump team was complying with investigators. In its filing, the Justice Department contradicts the Trump team’s claim that investigators had been allowed to see inside storage boxes during the June visit. The filing further asserts that “efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation.” This comports with the timeline — including that request for surveillance video. If you’re concerned about material being moved out of sight, being able to see who has entered that room is useful.

We return to the initial caveat: The government’s representations may omit salient facts that would recast the situation. But this doesn’t mean that we should grant the attestations of Trump and his allies equal credibility. Were Trump and his lawyers to dispute these details under oath, we might, for example, justifiably assume that Trump’s team was acting in what it believed to be good faith.

How the timeline might be undercut, however, isn’t clear. And with that timeline in place, the argument that the government waited until a few months ahead of the election to go after Trump is hard to defend. After all, Trump could simply have returned everything in January or when subpoenaed in June.

He didn’t.