FBI storms Mar a Lago

Dog 2.0

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It happened because he stole documents. Period. The ramifications may end up differently because they happened to be top secret, and quite likely got more attention from the government because they were…but the laws cited in the warrant don’t require that element.
Shouldn't that determination be made by a court? And does the pass issued to Hillary set a precedent wrt even charging him?
 

Gone Drinking

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If it weren't so sad it would be funny how after 6+ years the Dems still have yet to take down Trump. Even with all the bullshit they have thrown at him. If they had a decent candidate they would have no problem. But they revert to lying and cheating and still they are failing. What a bunch of morons.
 

badlatitude

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Shouldn't that determination be made by a court? And does the pass issued to Hillary set a precedent wrt even charging him?

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System​

<Snip>Now let me tell you what we found:

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.

Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.

While not the focus of our investigation, we also developed evidence that the security culture of the State Department in general, and with respect to use of unclassified e-mail systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government.

With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

So that’s what we found. Finally, with respect to our recommendation to the Department of Justice:

In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about whether charges are appropriate based on evidence the FBI has helped collect. Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the importance of the matter, I think unusual transparency is in order.

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.


To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.

I know there will be intense public debate in the wake of this recommendation, as there was throughout this investigation. What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.

I know there were many opinions expressed by people who were not part of the investigation—including people in government—but none of that mattered to us. Opinions are irrelevant, and they were all uninformed by insight into our investigation, because we did the investigation the right way. Only facts matter, and the FBI found them here in an entirely apolitical and professional way. I couldn’t be prouder to be part of this organization.

 

Marty Gingras

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If it weren't so sad it would be funny how after 6+ years the Dems still have yet to take down Trump. Even with all the bullshit they have thrown at him. If they had a decent candidate they would have no problem. But they revert to lying and cheating and still they are failing. What a bunch of morons.

Trump lost.

And that softball goes over the right field wall. Looks like we have another strawpuppet.
 

Steam Flyer

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If it weren't so sad it would be funny how after 6+ years the Dems still have yet to take down Trump. Even with all the bullshit they have thrown at him. If they had a decent candidate they would have no problem. But they revert to lying and cheating and still they are failing. What a bunch of morons.

Correct. If the Democrats were real he-men, fit to rule over you lazy peasants, they would have stirred up a riot and violently swarmed into Mar-A-Logo chanting "Hang Ivanka! Hang Ivanka!" and then just set fire to Trump. The flammable orange dye and his fat would make him go up like the Hindenburg and it would be all over.
 

Steam Flyer

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"Mercer County man charged with threats to kill FBI agents after Mar-a-Lago search"​


A long as they don't actually harm any LEOs, I see this as a good thing. Let the trumpalos get all riled up and make threats and shout hateful nonsense. It's a win-win, as I see it:

1- they get the childish anger out of their system and they'll be less likely to vote this fall
2- they drive a wedge between Trump and any LEOs who are thinking maybe he's their guy
3- they may take themselves out of the system entirely, via either jail or funeral, a win for all mankind.
 

Olsonist

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A long as they don't actually harm any LEOs, I see this as a good thing. Let the trumpalos get all riled up and make threats and shout hateful nonsense. It's a win-win, as I see it:

1- they get the childish anger out of their system and they'll be less likely to vote this fall
2- they drive a wedge between Trump and any LEOs who are thinking maybe he's their guy
3- they may take themselves out of the system entirely, via either jail or funeral, a win for all mankind.

This is really, really bad logic. It's in the realm of Jeff's Burn This Bitch To The Ground logic.
 

Voyageur

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The Don should be careful.
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