FBI storms Mar a Lago

Nice!

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And does the pass issued to Hillary set a precedent wrt even charging him?
She lost. Get over it.

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Dog 2.0

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Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System​

<Snip>Now let me tell you what we found:

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.

Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.

While not the focus of our investigation, we also developed evidence that the security culture of the State Department in general, and with respect to use of unclassified e-mail systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government.

With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

So that’s what we found. Finally, with respect to our recommendation to the Department of Justice:

In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about whether charges are appropriate based on evidence the FBI has helped collect. Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the importance of the matter, I think unusual transparency is in order.

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.


To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.

I know there will be intense public debate in the wake of this recommendation, as there was throughout this investigation. What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.

I know there were many opinions expressed by people who were not part of the investigation—including people in government—but none of that mattered to us. Opinions are irrelevant, and they were all uninformed by insight into our investigation, because we did the investigation the right way. Only facts matter, and the FBI found them here in an entirely apolitical and professional way. I couldn’t be prouder to be part of this organization.

Exactly...Thank you
 

Marty Gingras

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A long as they don't actually harm any LEOs, I see this as a good thing. Let the trumpalos get all riled up and make threats and shout hateful nonsense. It's a win-win, as I see it:

1- they get the childish anger out of their system and they'll be less likely to vote this fall
2- they drive a wedge between Trump and any LEOs who are thinking maybe he's their guy
3- they may take themselves out of the system entirely, via either jail or funeral, a win for all mankind.

This is really, really bad logic. It's in the realm of Jeff's Burn This Bitch To The Ground logic.

It'd be kicking the can down the road. EDIT: Which would be better than Trump winning in 2024.
 

Steam Flyer

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A long as they don't actually harm any LEOs, I see this as a good thing. Let the trumpalos get all riled up and make threats and shout hateful nonsense. It's a win-win, as I see it:

1- they get the childish anger out of their system and they'll be less likely to vote this fall
2- they drive a wedge between Trump and any LEOs who are thinking maybe he's their guy
3- they may take themselves out of the system entirely, via either jail or funeral, a win for all mankind.

This is really, really bad logic. It's in the realm of Jeff's Burn This Bitch To The Ground logic.

How so?

Fewer of "them" is a good thing.
Less support for Trump among LEOs and military personnel is a good thing.
That it may lessen their odds of being active voters, unproven but fully possible, neutral to leaning towards "good"
 

shaggy

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This is really, really bad logic. It's in the realm of Jeff's Burn This Bitch To The Ground logic.
Naaaaaa, the sheer number of lemmings it would take to burn it down this way would be astronomical(Or we are well and truly fucked if they can get that many.). They will march, hem and haw, but when it comes down to the actual burning and getting to the illegal side of things, well, there aint going to be as many MAGATS that are willing to take on the frigging FBI than they think.....
 

Burning Man

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I read this thread with both bemusement and with great horror that there is even ANY question that shitknuckle should be charged with a crime.

For the @Dog 2.0, @veni vidi vici , et al....... first of all - if the WH and the National Archives are saying that there are classified documents missing, they have credible evadents that trump took them because he was the last guy they were logged out to and the FBI was issued a legal search warrant by a judge to go get them back after trump refused to return them - what is the fucking beef with the FBI and the DOJ? They are doing their fucking J-O-B!

Furthermore, given that they found said HIGHLY classified documents and trump is not disputing they were there at his private rezidence...... are you people seriously claiming that this is OK?? Dude, if I had TS/SCI stuff, especially super sensitive Nuke stuff, in boxes in my house - I would be in jail right now. And I would be in jail a Federal supermax for the next 30 years minimum. No questions asked.

How the fuck is this even a question open for debate??? I feel like somehow I've ended up crossing over the multiverse into some sort of Bizzaro-United States of Amerika where the common truths that we all used to be able to agree on are now nothing more than punchlines in 5th tier comedy clubs.

Seriously WT FUCKING F?
 

shaggy

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Dude, if I had TS/SCI stuff, especially super sensitive Nuke stuff, in boxes in my house - I would be in jail right now. And I would be in jail a Federal supermax for the next 30 years minimum. No questions asked.
THIS... X100000000000
 

Nice!

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I read this thread with both bemusement and with great horror that there is even ANY question that shitknuckle should be charged with a crime.

For the @Dog 2.0, @veni vidi vici , et al....... first of all - if the WH and the National Archives are saying that there are classified documents missing, they have credible evadents that trump took them because he was the last guy they were logged out to and the FBI was issued a legal search warrant by a judge to go get them back after trump refused to return them - what is the fucking beef with the FBI and the DOJ? They are doing their fucking J-O-B!

Furthermore, given that they found said HIGHLY classified documents and trump is not disputing they were there at his private rezidence...... are you people seriously claiming that this is OK?? Dude, if I had TS/SCI stuff, especially super sensitive Nuke stuff, in boxes in my house - I would be in jail right now. And I would be in jail a Federal supermax for the next 30 years minimum. No questions asked.

How the fuck is this even a question open for debate??? I feel like somehow I've ended up crossing over the multiverse into some sort of Bizzaro-United States of Amerika where the common truths that we all used to be able to agree on are now nothing more than punchlines in 5th tier comedy clubs.

Seriously WT FUCKING F?

And now cue the memes about Hillary, Hunter's laptop, or Biden stuttering because, well, he has a stutter.
 

Olsonist

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Yet another asshole who has no clue what BTBD actually means and meant at the time and is instead twisting it for their own use. I would say YOU LIE!....... but that would just be stating the obvious.

Jeff, your first post on this was this.


That was it. That was all of the there that was there. Then after that, you commenced on your usual you misunderstood what I did/didn't write with Kent and others. This is me correcting that nonsense. (Click through the link since the quote/cite isn't working so well.)


You even declared victory in 2020.

Well, it took 4 years and a month. But the Bitch is finally burning down. Buh bye GOP you had a good run but you flew too close to the sun.

The similarity between your bad logic and Steam's bad logic is the idea that not holding people accountable will, presto magic, somehow solve the problem. It doesn't and didn't work. It just normalized the problem.

Here's how well your victory is doing:

 
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