Finally, Trump is getting close to justice

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1- prostitution is illegal
2- extortion is illegal
3- the money came from political campaign funds

#3 is the biggest crime, we have election laws for a reason and breaking them should be taken very seriously.



Yeah, that would be terrible & awful & very bad, if it actually happened.
Which it didn't.
Of course it did!
 

Mrleft8

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In principle and most cases of criminaI agree.
But this is a how-many year-old crime of floozy-hush payment that has that has hurt the citizens of New York City how?
It hurt the people of NYC by being swept under the rug, and potentially allowed TFG to win the POTUS election, which has killed millions of people through ignorance, blatant lying, and incompetence, not to mention the amount of money spent guarding his fat ass and his family while they lounged around Manhattan before they skipped off to West Palm Beach to avoid taxes, and criminal charges.....
This is not about Stormy Daniels, it is about the lies TFG told, and the smug self assured way that he told them.
 

Dog 2.0

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Is this another “process” crime? The sympathetic victims are who? And a conviction is going to benefit the victims how?

I’m no orangehead fan, but I wonder if this isn’t better left to the political process.

"However, the damage to the legal system is immense whenever political pressure overwhelms prosecutorial judgment. The criminal justice system can be a terrible weapon when used for political purposes, an all-too-familiar spectacle in countries where political foes can be targeted by the party in power." … Jonathan Turley
 

badlatitude

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"However, the damage to the legal system is immense whenever political pressure overwhelms prosecutorial judgment. The criminal justice system can be a terrible weapon when used for political purposes, an all-too-familiar spectacle in countries where political foes can be targeted by the party in power." … Jonathan Turley

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It is interesting that Hillary was not prosecuted criminally when she paid for the phony Steele dossier through an intermediary. If memory serves, she did pay a fine.
If it was not for double standards Democrats would have no standards
 

Sol Rosenberg

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Sounds like a plan. Get them all in one place and then deal with the domestic armed terrorists as appropriate.
Interesting. Capitan Ron has shown a willingness to replace elected state attorneys for saying the wrong thing, so could Dave Aronberg feel the pinch for bringing state charges against Americans in such a case? If there is an indictment of the GOP’s Most Law Abiding and Selfless Patriot, Capitan Ron is going to have to go big to have any chance in the primary.
 

phillysailor

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It is interesting that Hillary was not prosecuted criminally when she paid for the phony Steele dossier through an intermediary. If memory serves, she did pay a fine.
If only an Attorney General with a pattern of bias favoring DJT could have appointed a Special Counsel to look into this for a few years. Better yet, maybe those two could repeatedly share fine brandy and chat about the case in ways that violated the independence of the Special Counselor.

That politically motivated “investigation” should ideally have displayed such zeal to reach a conclusion that career prosecutors under the Special Counsellor’s leadership quit in protest of his decisions which violated their ethical and professional standards.

Oh wait. That happened.

And they still couldn’t weaponize the DOJ effectively to prosecute anyone close to Hillary. How sad for you America haters 😢
 

Marty Gingras

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It is interesting that Hillary was not prosecuted criminally when she paid for the phony Steele dossier through an intermediary. If memory serves, she did pay a fine.
The agency described it as a clerical error. It was a settlement entered into by the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign. Both are quite a bit different than what’s going on with Trump.
 

Steam Flyer

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It is interesting that Hillary was not prosecuted criminally when she paid for the phony Steele dossier through an intermediary. If memory serves, she did pay a fine.
The agency described it as a clerical error. It was a settlement entered into by the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign. Both are quite a bit different than what’s going on with Trump.

The real crime is being a Democrat.

Breaking election law is OK when Republicans do it, according to Dog2 and V3/B2 and their elk.
 

Sol Rosenberg

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If only an Attorney General with a pattern of bias favoring DJT could have appointed a Special Counsel to look into this for a few years. Better yet, maybe those two could repeatedly share fine brandy and chat about the case in ways that violated the independence of the Special Counselor.

That politically motivated “investigation” should ideally have displayed such zeal to reach a conclusion that career prosecutors under the Special Counsellor’s leadership quit in protest of his decisions which violated their ethical and professional standards.

Oh wait. That happened.

And they still couldn’t weaponize the DOJ effectively to prosecute anyone close to Hillary. How sad for you America haters 😢
That’s only what “Actually” happened. That doesn’t matter nearly as much as what bullshitters believe happened.

If a bullshitter believes that Bill Barr was never Attorney General, does he make a sound?
 

jocal505

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The Gateway Pundit has universal jurisdiction. I think that was part of Hammurabi’s code.

Special treatment for the upper class was big in Mesopatamia at that time.

Code of Hammurabi



The Code of Hammurabi was one of the earliest and most complete written legal codes and was proclaimed by the Babylonian king Hammurabi, who reigned from 1792 to 1750 B.C. Hammurabi expanded the city-state of Babylon along the Euphrates River to unite all of southern Mesopotamia. The Hammurabi code of laws, a collection of 282 rules, established standards for commercial interactions and set fines and punishments to meet the requirements of justice. Hammurabi’s Code was carved onto a massive, finger-shaped black stone stele (pillar) that was looted by invaders and finally rediscovered in 1901.

Hammurabi​

Hammurabi was the sixth king in the Babylonian dynasty, which ruled in central Mesopotamia (present-day Iraq) from c. 1894 to 1595 B.C.
His family was descended from the Amorites, a semi-nomadic tribe in western Syria, and his name reflects a mix of cultures: Hammu, which means “family” in Amorite, combined with rapi, meaning “great” in Akkadian, the everyday language of Babylon.
In the 30th year of his reign, Hammurabi began to expand his kingdom up and down the Tigris and Euphrates river valley, overthrowing the kingdoms of Assyria, Larsa, Eshunna and Mari until all of Mesopotamia was under his sway.

What is the Code of Hammurabi?​

The black stone stele containing the Code of Hammurabi was carved from a single, four-ton slab of diorite, a durable but incredibly difficult stone for carving.

At its top is a two-and-a-half-foot relief carving of a standing Hammurabi receiving the law—symbolized by a measuring rod and tape—from the seated Shamash, the Babylonian god of justice. The rest of the seven-foot-five-inch monument is covered with columns of chiseled cuneiform script.

The text, compiled at the end of Hammurabi’s reign, is less a proclamation of principles than a collection of legal precedents, set between prose celebrating Hammurabi’s just and pious rule. Hammurabi’s Code provides some of the earliest examples of the doctrine of “lex talionis,” or the laws of retribution, sometimes better known as “an eye for an eye.”

Did you know? The Code of Hammurabi includes many harsh punishments, sometimes demanding the removal of the guilty party’s tongue, hands, breasts, eye or ear. But the code is also one of the earliest examples of an accused person being considered innocent until proven guilty.

The 282 edicts are all written in if-then form. For example, if a man steals an ox, then he must pay back 30 times its value. The edicts range from family law to professional contracts and administrative law, often outlining different standards of justice for the three classes of Babylonian society—the propertied class, freedmen and slaves.

A doctor’s fee for curing a severe wound would be 10 silver shekels for a gentleman, five shekels for a freedman and two shekels for a slave. Penalties for malpractice followed the same scheme: a doctor who killed a rich patient would have his hands cut off, while only financial restitution was required if the victim was a slave.

Stele of Hammurabi Rediscovered​

In 1901 Jacques de Morgan, a French mining engineer, led an archaeological expedition to Persia to excavate the Elamite capital of Susa, more than 250 miles from the center of Hammurabi’s kingdom.
There they uncovered the stele of Hammurabi—broken into three pieces—that had been brought to Susa as spoils of war, likely by the Elamite king Shutruk-Nahhunte in the mid-12th century B.C.
The stele was packed up and shipped to the Louvre in Paris, and within a year it had been translated and widely publicized as the earliest example of a written legal code—one that predated but bore striking parallels to the laws outlined in the Hebrew Old Testament.
The U.S. Supreme Court building features Hammurabi on the marble carvings of historic lawgivers that lines the south wall of the courtroom.
Although other subsequently-discovered written Mesopotamian laws, including the Sumerian “Lipit-Ishtar” and “Ur-Nammu,” predate Hammurabi’s by hundreds of years, Hammurabi’s reputation remains as a pioneering lawgiver who worked—in the words of his monument—”to prevent the strong from oppressing the weak and to see that justice is done to widows and orphans.”
 
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badlatitude

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It is interesting that Hillary was not prosecuted criminally when she paid for the phony Steele dossier through an intermediary. If memory serves, she did pay a fine.
The subject was a complaint against the DNC and the Clinton campaign. Hillary Clinton was not singled out. Both the Party and the Campaign maintained that they followed the law but paid the fine to conclude the complaint by the FEC. Clinton paid $8,000.
Better luck next time.
 
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