Ease the sheet.
ignoring stupid people is easy
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i get your point,
though pollen is a good example of an infecting agent.
i can live with being called a pedant.....
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though pollen is a good example of an infecting agent.
i can live with being called a pedant.....
The pollen does nothing to you - it’s your immune system reacting.
The idea with the new mRNA vaccine is the same as inactivated vaccine - like the flu vaccine - the immune system responds to the perceived threat without it actually threatening you with infection with a disease.
The idea with the new mRNA vaccine is the same as inactivated vaccine - like the flu vaccine - the immune system responds to the perceived threat without it actually threatening you with infection with a disease.
Ease the sheet.
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You don't think that an immune response to pollen is your body reacting to something? Like maybe the pollen is a trigger? And the body responds to that trigger?
I agree with your description of how an mRNA vaccine works. However what was being discussed was that having an effective vaccine doesn't stop a persom from being infected.
In this case, having a vaccine won't stop you from being infected with the Sars cov 2 virus. It should, hopefully, limit the virus turning into covid 19.
CaptainAhab
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The only thing I expect from Moderna is a SEC investigation that puts the top guys in jail. On paper the entire company looks like a financial scam. The company has always been run by investment wankers. Read their Wiki page. I would be surprised if they are not the next Theranos.
They have never brought a vaccine to market. In fact no company in the world has ever using similar mRNA vaccines.
Why would they succeed now? More msn hours and money do not guarantee success.
My brother is a well known cardiac stem cell researcher. The entire stem industry has very little to show after many decades and billions of dollars. It’s always going to work in 5 years. But that hasn’t materialised. I’m talking about real FDA approved therapies.
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jack_sparrow
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Hey ChopChop you sold down yet? Better hurry.
El Borracho
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Heh. It's not whether the protocol is effective. Or trials. Or anything medical at all. The key is if there is just one more pump-and-dump opportunity for the big money to sell to the easily duped. The last one fizzled when numerous business writers complained to Meso about the ceaseless flow of breathless PR calls.
He’ll just google another random pre publication and copy paste the executive summary without reference as evidence that it is all going well. Soon. Imminent. Fixes everything.
Every statement that’s an outright lie gets excused and it keeps going. Nothing like a global pandemic to really highlight scum who view it all as opportunity to make money.
Every statement that’s an outright lie gets excused and it keeps going. Nothing like a global pandemic to really highlight scum who view it all as opportunity to make money.
El Borracho
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And not to mention the fact that when ppl say they’ve never had debilitating flu- the truth is likely they’ve never had it because ppl around them are vaccinated and they’re not exposed to novel flu strains from their daily interactions.
I’ve never had polio either. It isn’t some statement on the strength of my immune system or innate bodily constitution.
OK stop. Really?? Never exposed?? OK........ Never had Chicken Pox ether so I got that going for me.. Obviously if there is a vaccine I will get it. Hawk was saying he didn't want to be a guinea pig and my counter argument was that you are a guinea pig every time you get a flu shot. (could have said it better above
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furr_ball
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oh.......great.....quite possibly almost reasonably definitively without question decidedly imminent then......
.........with thousands of cases how is it hard to get volunteers if it is such a great treatment?
.........with thousands of cases how is it hard to get volunteers if it is such a great treatment?
millions of cases
supposedly imminent. 3/4 done!
nah - there has been no crossover because despite the propagandist's best efforts, the data speak for itself and it don't work.
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FWIW, Moderna's science is real and the research team from top to bottom are seriously respected. mRNA vaccines will be produced. I have no idea if the successful CV19 vaccine will be created on an mRNA platform but I am confident that we will have several vaccines based on mRNA in the next decade .
It is hard to assess at this stage which is going to be the successful Cv19 . Vaccines normally take 3-4 years to develop and trial before approval. This is break neck speed stuff which makes it hard to know. Phase 3 trials have started before we have seen phase 2 results. I personally hope that Moderna is successful and the Oxford/Astra is succesful ...two very different types of vaccine.....with the advantage that whichever proves more robust and adaptable means we have 2 alternatives going forward and two different production lines. The key is going to be production and getting it out there to as many people as possible in the shortest time possible.
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Put yourself in the doctors shoes, the ER's are flooded, there are patients walking in and standing in the hallway that need to be ventilated, they have nurses and non specialist doctors doing ER care in normal rooms - sharing 1 between multiple patents and 1 Nurse between 4 patients when it's normally 4 medical experts per 1 patient in the ER, and ontop of all that they need to find the time to then figure out if they do have any patients in the hospital that meet the exact criteria, then contact their NOK because they are usually unconscious at that stage.. so their NOK has to decide on their behalf to let them go into a trial. You typically have 1 doctor per hospital who is the head investigator, and that 1 guys is responsible for the trial - he is the guy walking through the wards every day trying to find people that meet the criteria and that will say yes to the trial. There was a good description of the process by one of the doctors, and they managed to get 1 patient every 2 days to sign up.
The data will speak for itself, so buckle up !
Now that there have been two major drugs Fail in the IL6 suppression department, I'm more confident we will get a result from Mesoblast since it targets almost all of the inflammatory compounds at once.
Only the people on ventilators, or in need of ventilators get this treatment. So millions there have not been. thousands yes. there are thousands of hospitals in the USA, some with no patients at all and other inundated.
furr_ball
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gawd could not bring myself to read it all
you really are on the kool aid for this thing
