Florida Gun Ban Proposed

Pertinacious Tom

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Florida Gun Ban Proposed

After two mass shootings in the state, some Florida lawmakers want an all-out ban on assault rifles.

Florida would join a small handful of states in the Northeast and California if it passed a ban.

The legislation calls for banning assault-style automatic rifles.

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"When I hear the debate, I'm usually pretty shocked because in Canada we don't have assault rifles. They're not allowed," said Chris Wilson
Eh?

The bill bans a variety of gun models by name. I support one of those: the shotgun called the Streetsweeper. My respect for first and second amendment rights has limits and those idiots deserve to have their gun banned just for giving it that name. Maybe I should be Streetsweeper Tom next? But I digress...

What the bill actually does is create a closed registry for lots of ordinary rifles, including two we own. If we get our certificate of possession in time, current voters could keep guns purchased before this coming July. But we would be the last generation of voters able to own these scary "assault style automatic rifles." <---FAKE NEWS

The proposed legislation is here.

This part covers my wife's Ruger 10-22, a pretty ordinary semi-automatic .22 caliber squirrel shooter. I don't know if Canadians are allowed to have those but I'm going to assume they are just for fun.

a. A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:

(I) A folding or telescoping stock;

(II) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon or any feature functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand...
And this part covers my dad's old .22 rifle because the tube magazine holds more than ten rounds.

d. Any semiautomatic pistol or any semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
Another part of the definitions specifically say that a tubular magazine on a .22 rifle is not a "large capacity" magazine, so it's not covered by that section, but it's still covered under the definition of an "assault weapon."

(3) POSSESSION.—
(a) Except as provided in subsection (5), any person who, within this state, possesses any assault weapon or large capacity ammunition magazine, except as provided in this section or as otherwise authorized by law, commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, with a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 1 year.
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt on what I believe is an error in that part. It's actually subsection (4) that covers legal possession by current voters (but not their descendants). Subsection 5 covers legal transfers to a dealer. Anyway, I assume that would be corrected if this had a snowball's chance in hell of passing, which, thankfully, it does not.

Anyway, it bans provides for a reasonable regulatory prohibition of assault weapons (as defined above) OR "large capacity" magazines. (You're welcome, Raz'r.)

Undeterred by the fact that the NY SAFE Act's provision banning magazines holding more than 7 rounds was thrown out as unconstitutional, this proposal contains that definition of "large capacity" magazine.

I don't really think of my wife's .22 gun as a scary "assault style automatic rifle." I don't even think of it as a scary assault style semi-automatic rifle, despite the black furniture she put on it. Yes, even though the factory supplied ten round magazine is defined as "large" so we could not avoid the ban just by putting the original wood furniture back on the gun.

I don't think of my dad's old .22 as an "assault weapon" either, despite the definition posted above. I guess it's nice that they acknowledge that the magazine is on a .22 and so is not "large capacity" but it could be excluded only by striking the word "rimfire" from the definition.

Maybe legislative compromise could result in excluding .22's from the definitions entirely. It would not matter because I'd buy lots of the guns and magazines that are covered. I'm deplorable that way.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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It's a fair and balanced process.

The state rep from Sarasota wants tools to be carried everywhere.
The process means this bill will never get out of committee. I like that result but I'm not so sure I'd call what goes on up there fair or balanced.

But that applies to all bills. How about the substance of this one?

Do you think our .22 rifles are "assault weapons" that should be banned?

 

Marcjsmith

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on the tube magazine, could you modify the magazine so it only can hold nine rounds? I know in some states they limit the number of rounds that can be loaded and the guys will put wooden dowels inside the spring such that it will only allow X number of rounds to be fed... should work on the dads 22

in theory you could do the same with a removable magazine. obviously the furniture work on your wifes 10-22 would have to be changed as well...

i'm sure over time the aftermarket folks will start making magazines or selling modification kits for magazines to get around the various laws.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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on the tube magazine, could you modify the magazine so it only can hold nine rounds? ..
The law allows ten in a fixed magazine before it's defined as an "assault weapon" and yes, it does allow for permanent modifications to make a gun fall outside the law.

So I guess I could fuck up my dad's old gun to make it less scary to hoplophobes. It doesn't seem all that scary to me as it is.

 

jocal505

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welcome to

THE TUBE FEEDER MELTDOWN THREAD

First off, the OP is inaccurate. Highland Park, which is IL, also restricts AW's and LCMs'.

So yeah, AW's are presently banned on both coasts and the Midwest.

And they are not yet constitutionally supported in the South, or by any district court, anywhere.

I can't believe this is gonna be a thread. Someone has too much time on his hands, AND a woody about this subject.

The complaint is vapor itself. Only a useless person would repeat the claim, and Tom had carried this to four threads, for three weeks or so.

The gun I've owned for forty years fits this category. It is a deadly-ass piece. I shot TWO running rabbits with it, one shot one kill each. .

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But it's no assault weapon. except to a masterbator.

 
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jocal505

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I thought I already answered that. Hell yes.

Were you born a wanker?

How did you get tossed from TWO private high schools?

 

Pertinacious Tom

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I thought I already answered that. Hell yes.
No, our previous discussion was about the Washington State law, which is similar but not the same.

One difference is that changing the furniture back to wood would remove the evil features that make it qualify as an "assault weapon" under the proposal in your state.

You might want to tighten that up to Florida standards and lower the detachable magazine size limit to seven.

At least, you might if you want to watch me being entertained when it gets thrown out as unconstitutional again.

 

jocal505

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Well, Tom, it sounds like you have some major problems here. I hope they reach resolution with all the attention they merit.

Have you called the Major Crimes Unit?

 
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Pertinacious Tom

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Ruger 10-22 Carbine

A scary .22 caliber battlefield weapon in any color!

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Blue Crab

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I have a battlefield-ready 10-22 TAKEDOWN assault rifle. It's badass black so it's scary as hell. I had a trigger job done making it even scarier, and some extra high capacity mags add even more cachet. I can see a rodent from a long fucking way away with my super sniper scope [details must be withheld] and death often rides the wind at 1000+ FPS [feet per second].

What's wrong with the world is city folk trying to make laws affecting country folk.

 

Marcjsmith

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tom,

yeah it would suck to have to permanently modify an old hand me down gun from pops....maybe a way to make it more easily reversible..

your wifes ruger is about as scary as my savage/anchutz with the scary big scope....

 
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Dabnis

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The States appear to be able to write just about any gun confiscation law they want to, as California just did.

The start, # 1, then proceed:

1. Ban all semi auto weapons

2. Ban all centerfire repeating long guns

3. Ban all handguns

4. Limit ammunition possession to 10 rounds, with a yearly limit of 50 rounds

Never say never. Some here said Trump could not be elected.

 
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Dabnis

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This is my scary assault .22, 10 plus 1

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Never underestimate the:

"We have to do something" crowd.

In California we have a Democrat Governor, & Democrat controlled State Assembly

& Senate, with Republicans making up about 28% of all registered voters. The Democrats are like "A kid in a candy store"

Trump may help on the Federal level, but the gun confiscation crowd is like rust, it never sleeps.

https://www.nraila.org/donate/

 

Pertinacious Tom

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Well, Tom, it sounds like you have some major problems here. I hope they reach resolution with all the attention they merit.

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I think it will receive all the attention it merits from the legislature, which is a good thing.

We do have a bit of a fake news problem with the Fort Myers NBC affiliate, but we've been living with that problem for years.

I'd say you have a bigger problem. Did you see the scary battlefield .22's in post 12? Your elk have written your law to allow people to continue to own those! I'd panic if I were you.

 
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Dabnis

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SV Airlie said:
This is my scary assault .22, 10 plus 1

14396208_1.jpg
Never underestimate the:

"We have to do something" crowd.

In California we have a Democrat Governor, & Democrat controlled State Assembly

& Senate, with Republicans making up about 28% of all registered voters. The Democrats are like "A kid in a candy store"

Trump may help on the Federal level, but the gun confiscation crowd is like rust, it never sleeps.

https://www.nraila.org/donate/
Great isn't it? Must drive you nuts Troller! I love it!
Well, I don't have any "Assault" type weapons, nor do I want to buy any. It does concern me, however, that the

"camel's nose under the tent" or the "Boiling frog" concepts are still in motion. Just because Trump won, gun owners

should not become complacent.

The "Assault" weapon ban is just the first page in the book. Just ask the Australian gun owners how it all took place.

They have "Been there, done that"

"Nuts"? There are a number of things that concern me in the crime related & bicycle riding fields.

Going "Nuts" would be shooting the repeat violent crime criminal while he is terrorising the Mall, or running down a bicycle rider.

But I wouldn't go "Nuts" because it would complicate my day, & likely scratch my car.

 
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