Flying Tiger 13.8
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locomotive
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We are working on the 13.8 project to get it kicked off January 2009 along with a few other projects we have set to launch. In order for us to commence, we need to relocate to our new building as we are running out of space in the main building for the larger projects.
The 13.8 has a target delivery price below 200k. she will be an offshore performer taking the Flying Tiger model to another form of racing. in order to do that we really wnat to make this boat be an all out racing machine. Her construction will be carbon fiber. she's going to be one screaming machine.
austin1972
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Carbon under $200K? That would be a hell of a rabbit out of a hat trick. This will be fun to watch!
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Brian,
"Displacement on the 41 foot long J/125 is 8,350 pounds on a 37 foot waterline with a 57% ballast ratio, beam of 10.6 feet and draft of 8.0 feet. Upwind sail area is 1071 f\2 with downwind sail area of 2464 f\2."
This is achieved by:
SCRIMP Process.
"The entire laminate is placed in the mold dry. A high vacuum eliminates any air voids, then resin feed tubes draw in only enough epoxy to "wet" the laminate. This is the TPI patented SCRIMP resin-infusion process. The last step in the process is to post-cure the hull and deck at 140 degrees in a closed oven. As can be seen from the chart, SCRIMP laminate properties in terms of compression strength, flexure, and tension are twice the strength of hand lay-up and significantly stronger than low energy (vacuum bagged) post-cure pre-pregs. There is no entrained air in a SCRIMP laminate. 1% void content reduces flexural strength by 10%. Note that 50% fiber content in a carbon laminate equates to 67% carbon/33% resin by weight. See the comparison of composite properties of low cost fabrication methods in the chart above."
Weight of Construction
"After subtracting weight of keel plus 1000 pounds of rig, engine and hardware, J/125 at 2700 pounds is as much as 1500-2500 pounds lighter than competitive designs. Not all of this has to do with the J/125’s narrower beam."
and,
"Hull & Deck Laminate Design of the J/125 is stronger for its weight than E-Glass/epoxy laminates using slit CoreCell foam. J/125 uses epoxy with a combination Kevlar & E-Glass for the outer skin with two layers of carbon fiber (bi-axial & unidirectional) for the inner skin. The higher strength of these exotic materials allows a thinner, lighter skin than the equivalent E-Glass structure. The CoreCell A500 and A600 foam cores of the J/125 laminate is further processed for strength and to save weight by [a] thermoforming to the shape of the boat in a second set of tooling to avoid having to slit the foam to bend it to the shape of the boat, and perforating on 2" centers to form epoxy rivets between hull skins. If the core is slit to bend to the boat, then either resin fills the slits and adds weight, or there are air pockets in the laminate which reduce strength. Hull & Deck Laminate Design of the J/125 is stronger for its weight than E-Glass/epoxy laminates using slit CoreCell foam. J/125 uses epoxy with a combination Kevlar & E-Glass for the outer skin with two layers of carbon fiber (bi-axial & unidirectional) for the inner skin. The higher strength of these exotic materials allows a thinner, lighter skin than the equivalent E-Glass structure. The CoreCell A500 and A600 foam cores of the J/125 laminate is further processed for strength and to save weight by [a] thermoforming to the shape of the boat in a second set of tooling to avoid having to slit the foam to bend it to the shape of the boat, and perforating on 2" centers to form epoxy rivets between hull skins. If the core is slit to bend to the boat, then either resin fills the slits and adds weight, or there are air pockets in the laminate which reduce strength."
If the FT13.7 displacement can be reduced by a few thousand pounds, while the balast ratio is maintained at ~60%, this would be a fantastic boat that I would be definitely interested in.
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Christian
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who cares about displacement as long as it can be hung from the rafters?
Lazy Guy
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Hike Bitches!
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Definitely need to get Ed to change the forum title. I was digging around for FT7.5 stuff and found this at 130 posts...Jesus...I am way behind the times <_<
Lazy Guy
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Maestro Perry,
Corps cutsback on dredging
Any updates on the 13.8 project? I assume it is still moving forward......
-Lazy
This a real concern. The ability to raise the keel a couple of feet
Corps cutsback on dredging
Any updates on the 13.8 project? I assume it is still moving forward......
-Lazy
Bob, are you any closer to a price? Am I the only one waiting to hear this? Tell me something GOOD.
Lazy Guy
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Hiptrader does the pricing...Bob does the designing...any price quote at this early stage would be a wild ass guess in these chaotic financial times. It will be a good value when compared to similar offerings from other builders. Watch the pricing of similar offerings and think lower.
Hiptrader has done a good job offering the FT 10 and now the new 7.5, the 13.8 won't disappoint.
MR.CLEAN
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Not true QMN. Brian has continually said that his target for the all-carbon boat is under US$ 200,000.00 for the hull, deck, rig, hardware, and engine IIRC. Sails, interior bits and pieces, etc. are meant to be extra, customizable by the customer. I don't remember just what parts will be included and what won't.
StayinStrewn
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from higher up the page:
We will list the prices for everything so you can add as you like.
The standard boat is:
A hull, with furniture and an engine.
Tiller as standard.
All deck hardware.
Carbon mast and prodder.
Running rigging.
We will list the prices for everything so you can add as you like.
The standard boat is:
A hull, with furniture and an engine.
Tiller as standard.
All deck hardware.
Carbon mast and prodder.
Running rigging.
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redboat
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As much as I would love to see the 13.8 become reality I am also concerned about the uncertainties in the economy and whether the market will support the boat. Don't know how FT10 sales are holding up and hope the 7.5 is a success but wonder if the addition of their big brother will stretch the FT10 folks too thin. Whatever you guys do, good luck.
With a little luck it will work.
- it will be bigger, faster, funner and CHEAPER than the SC37 - can't imagine that much less cruisable - the wife might take the savings as a trade
- if it is truly rad, perhaps some of the moderately rich rockstars will give up their TP52s or Farr40s - isn't the trend smaller/faster?
- by the time it really gets into production numbers hopefully the economy has bottomed out ...
Bueno Suerte
- it will be bigger, faster, funner and CHEAPER than the SC37 - can't imagine that much less cruisable - the wife might take the savings as a trade
- if it is truly rad, perhaps some of the moderately rich rockstars will give up their TP52s or Farr40s - isn't the trend smaller/faster?
- by the time it really gets into production numbers hopefully the economy has bottomed out ...
Bueno Suerte
