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Do you suspect it's also a canter? Any insight on length?more foilss
Do you suspect it's also a canter? Any insight on length?more foilss
With a crew of 45?
Personally I see foiling monohulls anytime I go sailing. I don't see cats. The local cat scene is pretty much dead and buried, ancient history now. That won't be everyone's experience but it is the situation around here.For years, we have been hearing how most sailors sail monohulls, and because of the that, they can't relate to catamarans in the AC. That most people are not interested because they can't put themselves in the shoes of those sailing the cats. Anyone think that what they eventually come up with, if it is to be compelling at all, will end up being any more similar to what the EveryDayJoeSailor is familiar with than the foiling cats?
That's not really the point I was making, though, right? My point is that what we are likely to see in a "foiling" mono is going to be no more similar, fundamentally, to what the regular mono guy sails than the foiling cats. Both will be apparent wind monsters, HUGE effective beam, foiling, crazy systems, and the sailing itself will not be much at all like what most people do at their local yacht club, beach, or lake/river. How many people actually do this kind of racing, match racing in such fast, complex machines (even scaled down). Effectively, what these monos will be is a multi-hull dragging a keel.... So one has to ask "why?". Tradition is the only answer that comes back. Not to save money, not to be like what people sail in regular life, not to make the racing closer, not to get more teams involved. Purely, it will be about some people's concept of tradition. But that is laughable when the boats have half a dozen or more appendages to try and re-create multi-hull physics.Personally I see foiling monohulls anytime I go sailing. I don't see cats. The local cat scene is pretty much dead and buried, ancient history now. That won't be everyone's experience but it is the situation around here.
Seriously? I am hardly the one who started using the term traditional .... that, or some other obvious synonym, has been the reasoning they are going away from the multi-hulls, including the puppet-master, 'er, CoR.GG, you like cats, others like monohulls. I don't know why you have to attach the label "tradition" to the latter. There's nothing new about cats. Nothing at all. The multihull boom was decades ago.
All I took from that video is how far CGI tech has come in the last 10 yearsETNZ/LR if they wanted to go back to a Mono they should have stucked to this Boat
....which was proprosed by EB for the 2009 AC.
A foiling mono is crap IMO.
Yep. Multi sailors are a small minority of sailors, but foiling sailors are a much smaller minority and despite the hype, the numbers are not growing very fast. The two biggest centres of foiling racers are reporting little or no recent growth. A radical foiling mono could well be the worst of most worlds; slower than the cats, harder to tack, and yet not something the typical sailor can relate to.For years, we have been hearing how most sailors sail monohulls, and because of the that, they can't relate to catamarans in the AC. That most people are not interested because they can't put themselves in the shoes of those sailing the cats. Anyone think that what they eventually come up with, if it is to be compelling at all, will end up being any more similar to what the EveryDayJoeSailor is familiar with than the foiling cats? Either that, or we end up with boring as shit boats and crap racing where maneuvers are so heavily punished that the races end up being nothing more than drag races... but hey, they will be "sailors" on them.
It just seems as though the people making the decisions have lost their connection to what is important in exchange for some warped concept that they are going back to a more traditional boat/event.
I think this misses the issue. In terms of audience, is the cup for sailors or is it about everybody else? I have always believed that if you rely only on sailors, you will never get a big enough audience. Most sailors don't care about the cup, either before or during the multihull era. They might have casually looked at results when the match itself was going on, but that would never sustain the cup. What I did notice during the last 2 editions is that non sailing friends commented on the cup and the types of boat being used in a way that I have never seen before. Some of that was because of the increased coverage in the UK because of BAR and the tie to the royals etc, but I also noticed wherever I travelled. People who I do business with, who never mentioned sailing to me at all in the past even though they knew about my background suddenly were asking me about it. That is what converted me to multihulls even though I was so against them when Oracle first brought them in. I think Oracle did a shit job of getting the story out there, but we finally had a boat that captured the imagination of non sailors. I seriously doubt that can be achieved with a monohull.Personally I see foiling monohulls anytime I go sailing. I don't see cats. The local cat scene is pretty much dead and buried, ancient history now. That won't be everyone's experience but it is the situation around here.
Agreed.I think this misses the issue. In terms of audience, is the cup for sailors or is it about everybody else? I have always believed that if you rely only on sailors, you will never get a big enough audience. Most sailors don't care about the cup, either before or during the multihull era. They might have casually looked at results when the match itself was going on, but that would never sustain the cup. What I did notice during the last 2 editions is that non sailing friends commented on the cup and the types of boat being used in a way that I have never seen before. Some of that was because of the increased coverage in the UK because of BAR and the tie to the royals etc, but I also noticed wherever I travelled. People who I do business with, who never mentioned sailing to me at all in the past even though they knew about my background suddenly were asking me about it. That is what converted me to multihulls even though I was so against them when Oracle first brought them in. I think Oracle did a shit job of getting the story out there, but we finally had a boat that captured the imagination of non sailors. I seriously doubt that can be achieved with a monohull.
The SF Cup was amazing, as was the earlier event with the ACC monohulls, although not quite as amazing.Question: What do you think? Which was more important? The Boat or the new Stadium Sailing? What brought AC 34 and to lesser extend AC 35 to life was the innovative Stadium Racing. Certainly during AC 34 the boats were presented to the entire San Francisco waterfront and people could come watching it for free. That had never been in Cup History before, add the Live Line Graphics for people watching on TV you had a pretty good package to sell. OTUSA/ACEA/ACRM should have stuck with Frisco as host City. Going to Bermuda was bad.
I suspect that even if ETNZ had run the table 9-0 then those AC72's on SF Bay would have still been my favorite AC of all time. The venue and those boats and the teams were a combination almost impossible to top.The SF Cup was amazing, as was the earlier event with the ACC monohulls, although not quite as amazing.
Sitting in the stands when the AC 70's rounded the first mark and came right at us, foiling and getting bigger FAST, the whole crowd, maybe 10,000 people in those ticketed bleachers and lots more just on the shoreline, simultaneously said "Holy Shit!!!" First and last time I've heard that from a sailing spectator crowd. I've said it plenty of times during a leeward broach, but meant something else.
So.....Stadium sailing with fast, close boats. With predictable winds. Doesn't even have to be a lot of wind anymore. You could maybe improve Bermuda with bleacher barges, but walking around the Marina Green meeting lots of people was just plain fun.