Fuel Right diesel additive

jmh2002

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Obviously bigger boats, motor boats, and then up into superyachts and commercial vessels tend to have this problem better thought from the original design as well as having the space to have proper fuel cleaning / polishing capabilities but there isn't a lot available at some type of affordable price when it comes to smaller boats and sailing boats apart from your standard dual Racor setup - but that only cleans the fuel when on it's way to the engine, it doesn't clean the fuel / tanks themselves.

I came across this product called 'Diesel Dipper' from a UK manufacturer. It's a separator / filtration / polishing system for smaller vessels, is reasonably priced (around GBP 1000), small sized (37cm tall - just over a foot), and can be retrofitted to exsiting boats simply by adding an additional full length pick up / suction tube if the tanks don't have a drain at the lowest point.

And that's the crucial important diference - it's designed to suck fuel from the very bottom of your tank(s) where all the water, sludge, etc wants to settle, clean it, and return it to the tank.

Anyway I thought it might be useful for some people here. I'm not connected to the product in any way at all and don't have any experience with it (but lot's of experience with fuel problems, as well as fuel polishing on larger vessels), but I would certainly consider installing one on a future boat.

Of course for the DIY or budget inclined something could be self assembled from parts but it's nice to have an off the shelf solution available for those who want it.

NB: This system is not a replacement for the standard fuel prefilter setup which is normally installed before the engine (eg: commonly a single or dual Racor filter) as well as the on engine filter itself. Instead this is effectively a stand alone fuel / tank cleaner system like a big vessel would have.

NB: If setting up a boat from new (or newly rebuilt) it may be worth looking at the systems from Keenan here: https://shop.keenanfilters.com/collections/all which combine the benefits of the Diesel Dipper and a Dual Racor system. They are quite a step up in price but it may be value if you don't have existing components to utilise / reutilise.

But with the Diesel Dipper you are not using the (expensive) Racor filters as the primary cleaning method like the Keenan system does. Long term, or if you pick up a dirty batch of fuel, that is helpful since you can quickly go through a lot of filters sorting out a problem.

Instead the Diesel Dipper has the water separator baffle / labyrinth in it's enclosed tank (at the rear, drain at the bottom), and a 80 micron (or optionally 40 micron) stainless washable filter. Seems to me that is less / easier / cheaper maintenance wise - and it will then make your actual Racor fuel filter stay cleaner and last longer.

Either way it's still important to pick up from the bottom of the tank for cleaning / polishing purposes.




Lot's of videos here at Marship (who also seem to be a dealer for this product):



Nice looking stainless steel construction (not all mild steel like the dual racor units which quickly rust) and the filter is a washable stainless steel model too:

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mckenzie.keith

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The fuel servicing outfit cleaned out the tank today. They said there was lots of gunk in the tank. I probably should install a second access plate (there is only one) but there is a baffle, so they had a little bit harder time cleaning out the non-accessible chamber. But I am going to leave that for later. I think the fuel system will be OK now to get me from San Diego to the bay area.
 

slug zitski

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The fuel servicing outfit cleaned out the tank today. They said there was lots of gunk in the tank. I probably should install a second access plate (there is only one) but there is a baffle, so they had a little bit harder time cleaning out the non-accessible chamber. But I am going to leave that for later. I think the fuel system will be OK now to get me from San Diego to the bay area.
The best practice is to alway keep an eye on tank conditions

you would be surprised at the condition of your water tanks

luckily they are a simple task
 

mckenzie.keith

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The best practice is to alway keep an eye on tank conditions

you would be surprised at the condition of your water tanks

luckily they are a simple task
The water tanks (one each port and starboard) are integral with the hull and have see-through inspection plates. The water looks OK, but I have not opened the tanks up. Not a big priority for a coastal trip. But on the list.
 

slug zitski

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The water tanks (one each port and starboard) are integral with the hull and have see-through inspection plates. The water looks OK, but I have not opened the tanks up. Not a big priority for a coastal trip. But on the list.
Seems that from fresh water off the dock you get this superfine dust like sediment ..after a couple seasons the bottom of the tanks look like brown mud ….won’t kill you but it loooks pretty unappetizing coming out of the tap after a bouncy, rolly day
 

mckenzie.keith

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Seems that from fresh water off the dock you get this superfine dust like sediment ..after a couple seasons the bottom of the tanks look like brown mud ….won’t kill you but it loooks pretty unappetizing coming out of the tap after a bouncy, rolly day
That sounds like iron in the water. The well water at my house has that. It slowly accumulates in the big storage tank, but we have a whole house sediment filter which seems to prevent it from getting into the house proper. Someday we will have to muck out the big storage tank.
 

slug zitski

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Yah …after cleaning , inspection …get a super bright light and look for stuff that might have fallen into the tank

a piece of rag , after tank close up , will ruin your day
 

kinardly

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For me, the boat tank water is for washing only. It’s a pain but I carry a lot of store bought drinking water on my admittedly short cruises. Drinking tank water would be only in an emergency.
 

Zonker

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It seems that a lot of racing sailors always look at water tanks with suspicion and bring bottled water aboard.

What's wrong with the water on the dock that you can't fill your boat's water tank with it? What is in your water tank that makes you worried about it?

(I have sailed on a very old C&C with a fiberglass tank that always had a faint "fiberglass taste" but a good charcoal filter would have fixed that).
 

mckenzie.keith

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For me, the boat tank water is for washing only. It’s a pain but I carry a lot of store bought drinking water on my admittedly short cruises. Drinking tank water would be only in an emergency.
Well eventually I will be cruising so I am definitely going to be drinking the tank water. My only reason to mistrust the water in there now is that I am not the one who put it in there and I don't know where it came from. There were some weird thing in the tank noted at survey. I forget what. I will remove it in due time.
 

slug zitski

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Well eventually I will be cruising so I am definitely going to be drinking the tank water. My only reason to mistrust the water in there now is that I am not the one who put it in there and I don't know where it came from. There were some weird thing in the tank noted at survey. I forget what. I will remove it in due time.
Good idea to devote storage space for plenty of bottled water

it’s a fact of life

in many areas the tapwater is not fit for human consumption
 

jmh2002

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Carrying bottled water is a terrible thing to do these days.

If you intend to go long distance cruising (and boat size dependant) it really is a good idea to set the boat up properly if possible.

Obviously a watermaker is a good start but there are times when you can't run it, or maybe you also catch rainwater too?

So a good idea to have a nice filtration system, and add the appropriate chemicals, bleach, etc, if necessary, or even up to systems such as UV filtration and Silver Ion treatment.

It can also be helpful if you are able to separate your water tanks for different purposes - but generally that's really only practical during a refit or a new build.

Buying boatloads (pun intended) of single use plastic bottled water for daily use should stop...
 

Max Rockatansky

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That is assuming that the water is 'bottled' in those single use containers. Carrying some gallon jugs filled with potable water, stashed in various spaces on board, is a good insurance policy against a main water tank leaking or becoming contaminated.
Exactly how likely do you think it is that the watermaker will fail concomitant with main water tank failure, all in a place without potable water? SMH

—no, wait… that did happen to Ryan Finn, but he wasn’t really ‘cruising,’ and he went into port and solved it. Because no matter around the world, people have to have water.

You are better served to have a stove and some bleach…
 

Kris Cringle

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My boats 3 40gal. monel water tanks are original and hermetically sealed in 1961. Apparently access ports weren't on the table at Alden design then. But I do taste it now and then. It's not bad, better than the boat water from our last boat which had fiberglass tanks. It's hard to get rid of all the hose taste from a dock even if you flush the hoses.

The monel tanks drain from the lowest point of the trapezoid shape and have been drained each season in NE over the years.

Each spring they are 'flushed' with lots of fresh water to be sure to be rid of the non-tox anti-freeze (terrible taste and odor that will linger if not flushed, I know,..).

It's not unlike a drilled water well (I've lived with several) that is never drained but flushed regularly(and those can become a breeding ground for bacteria if left stagnant long term).

Still, we bring gallon containers of drinking water and keep a few in the huge ice cooler. Those jugs fills empty space conserving ice. A few others jugs are stored in cockpit lockers to rotate in as needed. We refill them along the way which is easy to do via the dinghy. Ice water onboard is our favorite drink.

Just 3 more big sleeping dogs on our old boat. I'll let some new owners wake them up.

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