Chief Stipe
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So you accept the trial was abandoned early?
Getting tough with the anti-vaxxers
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Steam Flyer
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No, I'm asking you to explain what you said. Why were the trials abandoned, according to you?
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A fucking lie.
How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not?
To understand how the pandemic is evolving, it’s crucial to know how death rates from COVID-19 are affected by vaccination status.ourworldindata.org
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Vaccinated people now make majority of COVID deaths in US: Report
For the first time since the beginning of the pandemic in early 2020, a majority of Americans dying from Covid were at least partially vaccinated, according to the new analysis of federal and state data.
www.indiatvnews.com
Marty Gingras
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The death among vaccinated people is increasing due to the waning efficacy of Covid vaccines and "increasingly contagious strains of the virus being spread to elderly and immunocompromised people" among those who have taken at least one vaccine dose.Vaccinated people now make majority of COVID deaths in US: Report
For the first time since the beginning of the pandemic in early 2020, a majority of Americans dying from Covid were at least partially vaccinated, according to the new analysis of federal and state data.
Get vaccinated folks...especially elderly folks like you V3.
Keith
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Why do you still bother writing this when you are sure it won't have any effect?
Marty Gingras
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I'm confident that V3 can be influenced.
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It is clear that the “vaccine “ is not preventive.
It is a fact that there were no trials before releasing the “vaccine “ $$$$ on the population.
It is fact that there are heart issues with age group 18-40.
No more for me and I wish I had not taken the “vaccine “
I am not a antivaxer and was anxious to get my first two doses. I have been vaccinated for every thing under the sun growing up in Taiwan 51-61 and saw with my own eyes the ravages of tropical diseases on unvaccinated people.
You do you
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Steam Flyer
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The death among vaccinated people is increasing due to the waning efficacy of Covid vaccines and "increasingly contagious strains of the virus being spread to elderly and immunocompromised people" among those who have taken at least one vaccine dose.Vaccinated people now make majority of COVID deaths in US: Report
For the first time since the beginning of the pandemic in early 2020, a majority of Americans dying from Covid were at least partially vaccinated, according to the new analysis of federal and state data.
www.indiatvnews.com
Get vaccinated folks...especially elderly folks like you V3.
This is odd, I'm trying to reconcile this with the statistics I see showing about 6X the number of unvaccinated as vaccinated, deaths from Covid (per the USA's CDC).
I did find the Washington Post article that this "India TV News" (really?) quotes, and it's somewhat garbled. Furthermore, right after this, they give a lead to one of their news articles titled "Covid Vaccines Give Significant Protection Against Re-Infection" so they're not just making up anti-vaxx bullshit.
They're citing a Kaiser Foundation study from August which I can't seem to access.
The 7-day rolling average of daily Covid deaths in the USA is 383. Of the states reporting, Florida had by far the highest at 55.
The great majority (~80%) of these deaths occur in hospitals, so the answer is obvious... if you don't want to die of Covid, DO NOT go to the hospital! [sarcasm off]
Meanwhile, all the statistics I see show that of the total Covid deaths occuring in the USA daily, about 15% are vaccinated people, about 2% are fully vaccinated with 1 or more booster.
This is very difficult to reconcile with "58% of covid deaths are vaccinated people." I wonder if this Kaiser Foundation study is some other data set... for example, looking at the same data for countries with a 92% or higher rate of vaccination, some don't even have data for unvaccinated deaths. It's seperated out by age and by most recent booster; and the numbers are almost even (where it's reported "unvaccinated" is still slightly higher).
BTW the USA has a 68% rate of vaccination. We are still far below the threshold of herd immunity, and furthermore all the new variants are busily breeding in the respiratory passages of USAnians thanks to the RWNJ pinheads.
Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
Note to all: the above quote contains no facts. It's all RWNJ bullshit
Covid vaccines reduce risk of infection significantly, and in cases of infection they reduce severity of disease significantly.
There were definitely trials of covid vaccines, one of our recent anti-vaxx nutballs 'Chief Stipe' admitted that the Pfizer trial covered 43,000 people. He then went on to try and bullshit this number away.
Heart issues- there is a slight risk of clotting-related cardiac issues with Covid vaccines. This risk is very slight, far less than 0.1% reporting and furthermore the risk of the same type of complications from covid infection among the unvaccinated is far higher.
These are the facts.
Marty Gingras
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I'll see your kindly nurse with a PhD (who sometimes spreads misinformation) and raise you this actual Physician. I truly hope you watch it, because it's complementary to Mr. Campbell's video and you'll follow the logic:
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lol…
Well that settles that!
Herd immunity > “ vaccine “
That largest trial was in the 3rd world where vaccines were not available at the height of the pandemic
Death in those countries was not out of line with the vaxed countries.
There should have been stacks of burning bodies all around the world in 3rd world shitholes .
Marty Gingras
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It's rather preventative of severe illness.
False.
True but de minimis. The best analyses I've come across suggests that the ailment primarily afflicts people with not-previously-diagnosed heart issues. See your Doctor before getting treatment.
Good.
You too.
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Steam Flyer
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Huh, wait, I thought you said there were NO trials!!
Yes they were quite skewed. Look at actual real numbers.
Happened in India, pandemic related rioting almost overthrew the gov't in a few places.
Speaking of shitholes, how come the red states have such higher Covid death rates than the shithole Democratic-run cities, huh?
Marty Gingras
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Come on @veni vidi vici, say it.
Marty Gingras
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Studies consistently find higher Covid death rates among Republicans than Democrats
Lower vaccination rates among Republicans could explain the partisan gap, but some researchers say mask use and social distancing were bigger factors.
www.nbcnews.com
People in Republican Counties Have Higher Death Rates Than Those in Democratic Counties
A growing mortality gap between Republican and Democratic areas may largely stem from policy choices
www.scientificamerican.com
Republican US counties saw more COVID-19 deaths
Voting behavior seemed to be a proxy for compliance with and support for public health measures.
Are Republicans more likely to die from COVID-19 than Democrats? Here’s what researchers are finding
Republicans are dying at a higher rate from COVID-19 than Democrats, new research suggests. A working paper from the Massachusetts-based National Bureau of Economic Research by Yale University researchers estimates “substantially higher excess death rates for registered Republicans when compared to…
www.deseret.com
More Republicans have died of COVID-19. Does that mean the polls are off? - Roll Call
“Polls are blunt instruments, not precision instruments,” pollsters remind us. So can they account for the changing demographics of COVID-19?
www.rollcall.com
For red and blue America, a glaring divide in COVID-19 death rates persists 2 years later
Cumulative death rates in red states were 38% higher than in blue states, post-vaccination availability, data shows.
abcnews.go.com
Covid-19 has been deadlier in Republican states so far
Partisan policy that limited protections and downplayed covid-19 severity was deadly
qz.com
Can't you equally say that COVID disproportionately hurt poor states and then just go down the normal class arguments instead?
Archived: Pro-Democrat group says 9 of the 10 poorest states are Republican | PolitiFact
PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.
www.politifact.com
Republican states are poor states because Democrats are the pawns of the wealthy elite? Causation vs Correlation and all that?
Personally, I think poverty AND republicans being dorks about not taking the vaccine Trump authorized each contribute to the higher rates. But I also know there's things like Blacks being VERY skeptical about vaccines because of historical bumfuckery also contributed to higher mortality rates in their demographic, as well as access.
Marty Gingras
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Plausible but doesn't account for Floriduh. You a lumper or a splitter?
I had to look that up! You taught me a new terminology. I'm a pretty solid lumper in that context. I have a background in statistical thermodynamics - canonical ensembles all the way - so that's my inherent bias.
In the context of answering your particular thesis, I was curious how you'd parse it, just to know more about you.
