Getting tough with the anti-vaxxers

[Chief Stipe]

Oh and while you're at it, check what really happened with Sweden

For a start your imaginary lockdowns never happened. School children kept happily going to school and didn't kill any grandma's.

 

[veni vidi vici]

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[veni vidi vici]

For a start your imaginary lockdowns never happened. School children kept happily going to school and didn't kill any grandma's.

Unlike Governor Cuomo

 

[Terry Hollis]

The outrageous issue was that the vaccine was mandatory for children and healthy youth

Which country are you referring too, it certainly was not the case in New Zealand.

 

[BeSafe]

The outrageous issue was that the vaccine was mandatory for children and healthy youth

For clarity, at least in the US, California and DC are the primary school districts that had explicitly planned to have COVID requirements for school children (https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/20/health/child-vax-rates-school-mandates/index.html).

"In fact, Covid-19 vaccines are explicitly banned from being included in school mandates in at least 20 states. Only California and the District of Columbia have announced that Covid-19 shots will be among mandated vaccinations for students, but those mandates were not implemented for this school year."

California seems to have changed course but aren't being particularly clear.

California ends plans for kids’ Covid vaccine mandate

The end of the state's Covid-19 state of emergency this month effectively ends plans to require kids to be vaccinated against the virus.

edsource.org

"The California Department of Public Health hasn’t made an announcement, but officials told EdSource that the end of the state’s Covid-19 state of emergency on Feb. 28 effectively ends its current plan to add Covid-19 vaccinations to the list of 10 vaccinations children are required to have to attend school in person."

Public opinion on vaccination has meandered quite a bit over the last few years and so have implimentation of many of the mandates.

DC seems to be the only school district still moving forward.

District of Columbia Immunization Attendance Policy | osse

Schools | Families | Additional Information

osse.dc.gov

"Beginning in the 2023-24 school year, the COVID-19 vaccine is required for school enrollment and attendance in the District of Columbia for all students who are of an age for which there is a COVID-19 vaccination fully approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA)."

 

[Steam Flyer]

The problem with schoolkids and vaccines is that it's an intelligence test for the parents

 

[Chief Stipe]

The problem with schoolkids and vaccines is that it's an intelligence test for the parents

Yes and fortunately some parents are intelligent enough to know that vaccinating children for Covid-19 who have no co-morbidities is a risk not worth taking. It is also clearly evident now that vaccinating children doesn't save grandma nor you or @NeedAClew or their teachers.

 

[Dogfish]

The vaccine is not available to anybody under 50 years old unless you have co-morbilities in the UK. It does not stop you catching Covid and the manufactures never claimed it would, they stated it reduced your risk of hospitalisation. Most people who have been vacinated that I know of have also had covid like myself. Despite covid circulating in the population there is little talk about vacination now. Attention is slowly focusing on the fact that the excess death rate is still as high as during the pandemic and through all age groups, the question is why and what is causing this ?

 

[veni vidi vici]

The vaccine is not available to anybody under 50 years old unless you ohave co-morbilities in the UK. It does not stop you catching Covid and the manufactures never claimed it would, they stated it reduced your risk of hospitalisation. Most people who have been vacinated that I know of have also had covid like myself. Despite covid circulating in the population there is little talk about vacination now. Attention is slowly focusing on the fact that the excess death rate is still as high as during the pandemic and through all age groups, the question is why and what is causing this ?

Oh just a Covidincidence

 

[Keith]

 

[veni vidi vici]

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[NeedAClew]

Whatever bitching and crapping people want to do about current vaccine performance, in the US the mRNA vaccines were very effective in preventing infection and illness from the Original Virus. It mutated. That's different than them "lying" about the vaccines.
How many tens or hundreds of thousands would have died in 2021 without the vaccine? If you say zero you lie.

 

[Chief Stipe]

in the US the mRNA vaccines were very effective in preventing infection and illness from the Original Virus

That statement is wrong on many counts. The mRNA vaccine was useless at preventing infection. You only have to look at the data comparing vaccine rates versus infections. You qualify your statement by referring to the "original virus" supposedly inferring that the vaccines were only effective against one variant. That is an admission that they were largely ineffective.

 

[Chief Stipe]

How many tens or hundreds of thousands would have died in 2021 without the vaccine? If you say zero you lie.

Isn't saying "hundreds of thousands" a lie?

 

[Monkey]

Are you kids still fighting over this?

 

[NeedAClew]

Nah, just annoyed the "ooooh it's useless now" knee jerk crowd ignores that 2 mRNA shots gave high protection against infection in early 2021 back when US deaths from covid were very high and that variant was the one putting older people on ventilators. Being 75-90% protected meant something. You could go to the dentist! Get that mole looked at! Get new glasses! Go out for ice cream!
Daily covid deaths in US were 4000/day ballpark in January 2021 when vax started. Only 2000/day by March, half that in May. Adds up. If it had stayed even 3000/day that's almost 100,000 a month. [Go Google numbers and come up with your own.]
If one lived where freezer trucks were storing corpses, even a few months reprieve was glorious. Virus changed, yes vax much less effective. But I am glad I had those months of respite.
I just will ignore the perfectionists. What's their point anyway? That no vaccine would have been the best move?
Fine. Don't ever get any or take any precautions.

 

[Steam Flyer]

Nah, just annoyed the "ooooh it's useless now" knee jerk crowd ignores that 2 mRNA shots gave high protection against infection in early 2021 back when US deaths from covid were very high and that variant was the one putting older people on ventilators. Being 75-90% protected meant something. You could go to the dentist! Get that mole looked at! Get new glasses! Go out for ice cream!
Daily covid deaths in US were 4000/day ballpark in January 2021 when vax started. Only 2000/day by March, half that in May. Adds up. If it had stayed even 3000/day that's almost 100,000 a month. [Go Google numbers and come up with your own.]
If one lived where freezer trucks were storing corpses, even a few months reprieve was glorious. Virus changed, yes vax much less effective. But I am glad I had those months of respite.
I just will ignore the perfectionists. What's their point anyway? That no vaccine would have been the best move?
Fine. Don't ever get any or take any precautions.

There you go again, with your doggone libby-rull facts 'n shit. Do you think any RWNJs are going to listen and learn?

These people are convinced that Dr. Fauci is an evil robot baby-eating alien lizard, and they don't know a virus from a vibrophone.

Nobody died of covid, you big silly!

 

[d'ranger]

I just posted a link to a new PBS documentary on Dr. Fauci that is superb. I used a mostly dormant thread rather than start a new one. Hope people take the time to learn something. He is a national treasure and an inspiration.

 

[The Main Man]

The vaccine is not available to anybody under 50 years old unless you have co-morbilities in the UK. It does not stop you catching Covid and the manufactures never claimed it would, they stated it reduced your risk of hospitalisation. Most people who have been vacinated that I know of have also had covid like myself. Despite covid circulating in the population there is little talk about vacination now. Attention is slowly focusing on the fact that the excess death rate is still as high as during the pandemic and through all age groups, the question is why and what is causing this ?

That bit is not true. I think you are referring to the latest round of boosters.

 

[MagentaLine]

I just posted a link to a new PBS documentary on Dr. Fauci that is superb. I used a mostly dormant thread rather than start a new one. Hope people take the time to learn something. He is a national treasure and an inspiration.

What a joke