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Jud - s/v Sputnik

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. Really don't understand why Kirsten persisted in the east when she had lots of opportunity to get west.
I understood that the reason, or at least a key reason, is that, for whatever reason, she had limited weather info up the S. Atlantic.

Back on March 10 as they were just coming N from around Cape Horn, the GGR folks posted this below, which suggested to me there were issues (of what sort I don’t know: reception? limited availability of forecasts? Radio/equipment problems?) with getting weather info.

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GlennP

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Somebody fill me in, please. I’ve been off the grid for awhile so no knowledge of all the sea drama since before Cape Horn.

simon is out of the race, in Chichester Class? Yet contending for first to the Gate?? How did that happen? In two sentences or less haha…

thanks
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TheDragon

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I understood that the reason, or at least a key reason, is that, for whatever reason, she had limited weather info up the S. Atlantic.

Back on March 10 as they were just coming N from around Cape Horn, the GGR folks posted this below, which suggested to me there were issues (of what sort I don’t know: reception? limited availability of forecasts? Radio/equipment problems?) with getting weather info.
My issue is not that she did not have current information. Even if she did the doldrums are so hard to predict it would not have helped. I have been following RTW races for a couple decades now and it has almost always been the case that the Atlantic doldrums are narrower in the west, plus you pick up a following current there, so especially in the absence of better information, west is best. Mostly I am disappointed as she had sailed so well that she claimed the lead after Simon got smashed, and was well positioned to win, which would be wonderful. But still have hope.
 

Jud - s/v Sputnik

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My issue is not that she did not have current information. Even if she did the doldrums are so hard to predict it would not have helped. I have been following RTW races for a couple decades now and it has almost always been the case that the Atlantic doldrums are narrower in the west, plus you pick up a following current there, so especially in the absence of better information, west is best. Mostly I am disappointed as she had sailed so well that she claimed the lead after Simon got smashed, and was well positioned to win, which would be wonderful. But still have hope.
I’m no weather router, but it seems like the Doldrums just aren’t as “well formed” as they sometimes are, with that big light area extended up above the dashed red line I drew. In any case, not having access to good weather info, indeed, I suppose you just do your best/hope for favourable Doldrums conditions, since once you’ve enter the “pot-au-noir”, as the French call it, you get stirred up in the black pot? :) If she was using Ocean Passages, as mentioned earlier, it seems only a fairly rough guide at best. How far west to go - that seems like a hard decision to make in this context with limited info.

Simon isn’t that much farther west (like Abhilash), but he appears to be in a more favourable position - likely a bit of luck and good/random timing involved. That said, 2018 winner VDH even farther west (basically farther than Abhilash), quite close to the Brazilian coast - the turquoise track below. I seem to recall he had very good weather info (and lots of experience).

One thing is for sure…very hard to know! Lots of variables, and more to come. It sounds like Kirsten is also dealing with a small amount of barnacles…but she’s got some windward advantage?! Wait and see :)

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Jud - s/v Sputnik

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I sure hope Kirsten does not have barnacles, she had plenty of time in the doldrums to scrape them off.
She dropped her scraper (according to the latest update/chat with tracker positions/weather.) Don’t know if she dropped it before, during or after scraping…will probably find out on her next mopey-sounding call in :) (the GGR posts regularly on their FB page)
 
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tama_manu

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Tomy clearly in the lead having kept west, still a long way to go though. Really don't understand why Kirsten persisted in the east when she had lots of opportunity to get west.
Surprisingly, in the last audio posted, Kirsten thought she still is not east enough. Not sure why she is strongly against the "west is best" adage.
 

Barbarus

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I've a sneaky feeling that Kirsten might win this race, only to have the victory spoiled by the inconvenient circumstances that one or two of the competitors actually arrived at the finish line before her. Anyone still in this race has my respect and puzzlement though: There're far too many fine ports of call along this route for me to be able sail past non-stop.
 

shebeen

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I understood that the reason, or at least a key reason, is that, for whatever reason, she had limited weather info up the S. Atlantic.

Back on March 10 as they were just coming N from around Cape Horn, the GGR folks posted this below, which suggested to me there were issues (of what sort I don’t know: reception? limited availability of forecasts? Radio/equipment problems?) with getting weather info.

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I suppose we will hear the thinking behind the strategy in the end, but Kirsten seemed to go east as much as possible once passed the Falklands, Abilash went a more northerly course closer to brazil from that point. This might just have been the weather at the time.

From what I can realistically conclude from radio updates she doesn't seem to know much about weather updates AND crucially the position of Abilash. She has said she assumed he has overtaken her.

Also we are on day 210 of this race, there is a good chance that plans for the first half were well developed and the closing stages done more on feel/intuition.
 

trisail

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Good afternoon,

I know that Kirsten, Capt Gugg, Jeremy and Ian have regular HF radio contact with one another.
I would imagine that they also exchange positions.

I gather from the GGR website and Facebook pages that Simon and Abhilash both have radio and, or charging issues which might preclude them from exchanging positions with the rest.

About 2 weeks ago Kirsten knew she was leading, but not by how much, or where about Abhilash was.

Regards.
 

shebeen

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I've a sneaky feeling that Kirsten might win this race, only to have the victory spoiled by the inconvenient circumstances that one or two of the competitors actually arrived at the finish line before her. Anyone still in this race has my respect and puzzlement though: There're far too many fine ports of call along this route for me to be able sail past non-stop.
I see what you did there, she has a time credit for rescuing Tapio up her sleeve.
+2500nm to go, and Abilash looks best placed between these three.
but Simon has shown the best speed since CapeHorn
but Kirsten is closest as the crow flies(for now).

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guessing about ~22 days to finish from here, should be an interesting time.
 

Jud - s/v Sputnik

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What is it that is making Simon so fast?
To hazard a few guesses - more experience (and consistent focus on) racing; and a hull scrub during his unplanned week-long holiday in Chile earlier. (I don’t know how his boat compares to A’s and K’s in terms of design/performance, and gear/sails/set up. For example, I think it was said K’s twin headsail set up helped her in some downwind portions earlier.)
 
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littlechay

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this is like bleeding water out of a stone.
To transcribe for you at 5:30
Q:did you get any maps at all, like any weather?
A:I don't have any weather information, I don't have a clue what's going on...

Seems pretty black and white to me, is english maybe not your first language?


I had been listening to Peter Mott giving her weather.. what do you not understand about that?
 



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