Girl with patreon account goes sailing in hot place

[Fah Kiew Tu]

Sort of the same with us. It was our second offshore boat and I had a long list of items I wanted on it.

We owned a 40' cat fully outfitted for 135K Canadian (about 100K USD) + a lot of labour. Sold it 8 years later for 85K.  ~2K/year. 

Most do not get off so lucky when they count the cost of outfitting an offshore boat and selling it later.

I dealt with that issue right up front.

Every dollar spent on the boat is immediately written off. It's entertainment and nothing else. Same as paying for a nice dinner or bottle of wine, gone forever.

If I ever get anything back, bonus. I'll spend it on something else. Probably not machine tools though, pretty much maxed out there.

Were I younger, I'd build another boat or 2 just because I like building things. I may build a small displacement cruiser because I have a nice engine that needs a hull.

FKT

 

[KC375]

I dealt with that issue right up front.

Every dollar spent on the boat is immediately written off. It's entertainment and nothing else. Same as paying for a nice dinner or bottle of wine, gone forever.

If I ever get anything back, bonus. I'll spend it on something else. Probably not machine tools though, pretty much maxed out there.

Were I younger, I'd build another boat or 2 just because I like building things. I may build a small displacement cruiser because I have a nice engine that needs a hull.

FKT

Sounds like Tlingit a boat inspired to be built around an enging the designer Bill Garden had

 

[Zonker]

I love Bill Garden's long and skinny boats. I envy those with their own dock or mooring that are not paying by the foot.

 

[TwoLegged]

hmmm . . . . . I guess it depends on how much you value getting EXACTLY what you want.  When we built Hawk, we have a very distinctive vision and we knew exactly what we wanted, and I considered and still consider she was 'cheap' to build compared to compromising on any of our objectives with anything else that was on the market at the time.

Hawk was a good case for a DIY build.  She is a specialised boat, with no close sistership; your lightweight, simple interior made her v different to other VDS Samoas.  That boat had to be custom; either a yard built it, or you did.  and the advantage of building her yourself was that you knew all the systems and how to fix them, which was critical for your intended use.

For a boat whose use is less intense and challenging use, self-build is less compelling.  And the closer the boat is to production boats, the weaker the case for self-build.  Why commit a few years of your life to the build when for much less money you could buy a used CookieCutter35 which comes very close to your needs?

Unless of course you enjoy the build process, and can put in the hours without destroying career and relationships.

 

[estarzinger]

Hawk was a good case for a DIY build.  She is a specialised boat

yes, exactly.

We built her because we knew what we wanted and it was not really available on the market.  Not because it was 'cheap', but in fact it did not turn out to be at all a bad financial deal . . . because most of the things we wanted (like lots of extra aluminum structure and little teak and varnish) were economical . . . and we were very focused on getting sailing and just head down and did not mess about with the build decisions.

But yea, if you really just want something close to an available production boat, or (more commonly) you dont have enough experience to know actually what you want . . then building makes little sense.

I have this discussion about bicycles with people . . . . if you have enough experience to be able to say in detail what you like and dislike about a Dogma and an SL7 (they are both relatively aggressive race bikes but very different from each other) and how your 'perfect bike' would be different from them . . . then you may have enough experience and distinctive enough needs to get a custom frame built.  Otherwise, you are better off getting one of the excellent production one.

 

[sculpin]

Indeed.  I built a couple of bicycle frames back "in the day", and pondered it as a gig, but concluded that 99.99% of people would be better off with an "off the rack" production bike and would only value the snob appeal of a custom bike.

 

[KC375]

Indeed.  I built a couple of bicycle frames back "in the day", and pondered it as a gig, but concluded that 99.99% of people would be better off with an "off the rack" production bike and would only value the snob appeal of a custom bike.

Don't underestimate the economic opportunity of providing veblen goods...

That's a gig I want.

Lotteries are a tax on stupidity.

Veblen goods are a tax on stupidity of the rich.

 

[MauiPunter]

I guess I can understand building a boat if there is nothing on the market that ticks all the boxes for you.  If you have the skills and are handy, very doable.  But for regular folks, it would involve finding a yard to build it for you, which definitely will hit your pocket book.  Didn't we figure out on that project with Bob that a 36' custom sailboat will cost, when all is said a done, around $500k (or was it more)?   If money is no object, no problem. 

I definitely don't see building your own is a way to save money, but, perhaps building that unicorn you so desire.

 

[Fah Kiew Tu]

I guess I can understand building a boat if there is nothing on the market that ticks all the boxes for you.  If you have the skills and are handy, very doable.  But for regular folks, it would involve finding a yard to build it for you, which definitely will hit your pocket book.

That is not building a boat.

That is paying someone else to build you a boat.

Not the same thing at all. And yes, that is going to be a lot more expensive than buying a used f/g boat and going sailing.

AFAIK I have the only boat of its type in Australia. Pretty sure that's true because Tom modified the stock plans to my wants and did a custom rig for me. I could have bought a number of Gazelles that came on the market both before I started building and during the build, at considerable cash savings. But that wasn't what I wanted to do.

I'm by no means saying it's sensible and nor would I suggest anyone else do it. You have to really, really like building things.

FKT

 

[hump101]

I'm by no means saying it's sensible and nor would I suggest anyone else do it. You have to really, really like building things.

FKT

That is the key, in my experience. If the building is as much the pleasure as the using of the final project, then the time spent is not lost, but enjoyed. I enjoy building boats, as well as using them, and the 2.5 years full time spent building a 40ft cat flew by. I did not enjoy building my house, I just had to do it to get it done, and 9 years of part time slog feels like life lost forever.

 

[accnick]

I'm by no means saying it's sensible and nor would I suggest anyone else do it. You have to really, really like building things.

FKT

That's it in a nutshell.

 

[Black Sox]

Time was cheaper then, oddly enough...

Especially when you consider that we had shorter lifespans, so there was less of it!

 

[Jud - s/v Sputnik]

I did not enjoy building my house, I just had to do it to get it done, and 9 years of part time slog feels like life lost forever.

I absolutely abhor working on my own house.  But hgh-end residential, commercial or industrial electrical work where I’m paid well to do it - no prob.

 

[Diarmuid]

Don't underestimate the economic opportunity of providing veblen goods...

That's a gig I want.

Lotteries are a tax on stupidity.

Veblen goods are a tax on stupidity of the rich.

Learned a new phrase today -- thanks!

 

[floater]

Learned a new phrase today -- thanks!

yes. quite the concept. A Veblen good is a good for which demand increases as the price increases. Veblen goods are typically high-quality goods that are made well, are exclusive, and are a status symbol. ... Examples of Veblen goods include designer jewelry, yachts, and luxury cars.

 

[KC375]

yes. quite the concept. A Veblen good is a good for which demand increases as the price increases. Veblen goods are typically high-quality goods that are made well, are exclusive, and are a status symbol. ... Examples of Veblen goods include designer jewelry, yachts, and luxury cars.

Many wealthy are comfortable with themselves and feel no need to advertise to the world their net worth.

Others have a strong felt need for the world recognize they have made it. Finding a way to mine that insecure narcissism is an excellent business plan and serves the social good of redistributing some wealth from the very shallow.

 

[Student_Driver]

Many wealthy are comfortable with themselves and feel no need to advertise to the world their net worth.

Others have a strong felt need for the world recognize they have made it. Finding a way to mine that insecure narcissism is an excellent business plan and serves the social good of redistributing some wealth from the very shallow.

It’s all about sex. Expensive trinkets and toys are analogous to peacock feathers. Only use is to be noticed by potential mates but cost is high for both.  Not a justification or endorsement.  Just a POV. 

 

[Kris Cringle]

I absolutely abhor working on my own house.  But hgh-end residential, commercial or industrial electrical work where I’m paid well to do it - no prob.

I think this is characteristic of most of us that are involved in buildings for work. I sometimes treat myself like a mental patient so as to get some tasks on my own house completed, that I enjoy doing elsewhere. 

 

[Matagi]

I could drive behind this beauty all day.

 

[KC375]

2 minutes ago, Matagi said:

Deutz makes a lovely tractor (My BIL has an unstoppable air cooled diesel one).

The boat is OK too.