Girl with patreon account goes sailing in hot place

Ajax

Ajax

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estarzinger said:
damn, @Ajax I wish you had told me that - I would have sold her to you for a song.
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Two reasons I didn't approach you about it-
1. Wife was very resistant. (I mean really, it's not a normal lifestyle. I'm not mad at her.)

2. I didn't think that you would give me any special consideration on the price (and why should you?) I figured that even with the proceeds from the house and all of my belongings that I wouldn't be able to afford the boat AND the upkeep.

Sadly, that has changed now. My wife doesn't *quite* think I'm crazy anymore and I have bucketloads more equity in the house to draw on. The timing stinks.

The good news is that my wife sat down next to me last night and without any prompting by me, said "I promise that we'll get out there soon."
 
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accnick

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estarzinger said:
damn, @Ajax I wish you had told me that - I would have sold her to you for a song. We were more looking for a good owner than for money. Hawk's owner is a professional ship engineer who seemed to understand and appreciate what we had tried to do with the boat, and he started off well with her. Unfortunately, both of our cruising boats have had less fortunate experiences with their subsequent owners. I have just accepted that they are out of my hands now, but it still occasionally makes me a bit sad.
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Boy, ain't it the truth!

The guy I sold my last boat to in 2003 was close to the perfect owner. The boat was used seasonally, pampered, stored inside, and yard-maintained to perfection for a decade.

His plans for going cruising when he retired came crashing down when he was diagnosed with Parkinson's.

The people he sold the boat to had dreams, but neither the skills, disposition, nor money to care for the boat properly, and managed to undo two decades of meticulous care in a few years of thoughtless neglect.

The current owner is doing a good job of bringing the boat back, but it is shockingly difficult to make up for just a few years of bad ownership.
 
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Jud - s/v Sputnik

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Russell Brown said:
You guys are lucky. I sold my boat to someone who did a very long record attempt on it, which it was never intended for.. I had many months of bad sleep. Still recovering.
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Go, Jzerro! :). And Hawk and all the others out actually sailing the seas!

I can’t deny I had my eyes close on Hawk too, having read a lot about the boat over the years - I never knew at the time that Evans and Beth were selling the boat - I learned about it afterwards - but had I known, and if the timing was right, I can easily see myself doing whatever it would take to get it, learn about it full time, the leave cruising...

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Around Cape Horn in a proa - Yachting World

American solo sailor Ryan Finn has become the first ever to sail around Cape Horn in a proa, completing a New York to San Francisco solo record attempt on the 36ft proa Jzerro after 93 days at sea
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Zonker

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Yeah I design little stitch and glue ply boats as a sideline. On the support forum we had a marine engineer wanting to know the detailed operating envelope a houseboat was designed for. He didn't believe that there was no formal definition of wave height and wind speed to operate the boat. The description was "use in sheltered waters, rivers, and lakes". The designer (not me) said "On a good day I'd take it across the English Channel or to the Bahamas". Pretty clear to me anyway.

But you'd get people saying "Well how about fishing 80 miles offshore with it?" uh NO PLEASE
 
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yellowstone

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How dumb is Sail Life?

Is it like buying a 1990 Camry, and putting $15,000 into restoring it?

I enjoy the videos, but I don't know anything about boats, and don't know how much time/money was wasted (in a scenario with an average guy; not someone making money off of DIY videos)

He's obviously intelligent & capable of project management + work. I don't understand how genuinely ignorant he was at purchase (if he's so smart, how could he miss the deck, hull, rudder, frame, etc.). The purchase price of $38,000 (IIRC) makes me think he was genuinely ignorant & got hosed? Maybe the market in Denmark is different, and you have to take what you can get?

And I didn't understand the osmosis stuff. He seems to flip back-and-forth between solutions (it seems quite stupid to sand the boat rather than shave it right away. I guess hindsight is 20/20. Though I think he did that with the kitchen too- wasting time doing something, just to redo it later)

I guess the Warrior 38 has a fine reputation; I just don't see the purchase price + renovation cost in time/money adding up to a smart value (for a non-youtuber). I'd like to know if that's correct or not. I assume the previous owner was doing cartwheels to get rid of her at that price.

No offense to SL; he seems like one of the less-disgraceful popular yt boat channels.

Also his girlfriend reminds me of Kyle's Jewish cousin on South Park.
 
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mckenzie.keith

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yellowstone said:
How dumb is Sail Life?

Is it like buying a 1990 Camry, and putting $15,000 into restoring it?

I enjoy the videos, but I don't know anything about boats, and don't know how much time/money was wasted (in a scenario with an average guy; not someone making money off of DIY videos)

He's obviously intelligent & capable of project management + work. I don't understand how genuinely ignorant he was at purchase (if he's so smart, how could he miss the deck, hull, rudder, frame, etc.). The purchase price of $38,000 (IIRC) makes me think he was genuinely ignorant & got hosed? Maybe the market in Denmark is different, and you have to take what you can get?

And I didn't understand the osmosis stuff. He seems to flip back-and-forth between solutions (it seems quite stupid to sand the boat rather than shave it right away. I guess hindsight is 20/20. Though I think he did that with the kitchen too- wasting time doing something, just to redo it later)

I guess the Warrior 38 has a fine reputation; I just don't see the purchase price + renovation cost in time/money adding up to a smart value (for a non-youtuber). I'd like to know if that's correct or not. I assume the previous owner was doing cartwheels to get rid of her at that price.

No offense to SL; he seems like one of the less-disgraceful popular yt boat channels.

Also his girlfriend reminds me of Kyle's Jewish cousin on South Park.
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They are a nice couple. I see no reason to criticize them. Which might mean this thread is not the place for me. I don't know. Boats almost never make sense financially unless you get lucky with the timing or move them from a place of surplus to a place of scarcity. You invest money in them and there is no way you will ever get a return on that investment. The smartest thing you could do would be to not buy a boat. The second smartest thing would be to sell it the day you buy it. Keeping it and maintaining it is the third smartest thing and the dumbest thing is to buy it, never use it and never maintain it and watch its resale value and curb appeal disappear.
 
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jvodan

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yellowstone said:
How dumb is Sail Life?

Is it like buying a 1990 Camry, and putting $15,000 into restoring it?

I enjoy the videos, but I don't know anything about boats, and don't know how much time/money was wasted (in a scenario with an average guy; not someone making money off of DIY videos)
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He had a dream to an extensive refit on a boat.
It may not appear to be an economical way to get a cruising boat but he definitely seemed to enjoy the process. At the end of the day he got the boat he wanted with less compromises than buying a second hand boat that have someone elses opinions applied to it.
He also got to spread the cost over several years and receive some income from you tube and patreon.

I dont think he ever planned to finance the refit via you tube and partreon, however this is a model others have used. I suspect sailing Yabba have financed the majority of the rebuild of their rotten sinking schooner with you tube and Patron. So while it probably would have cost them a 3rd the price to buy a decent boat compared to the cost of the almost complete rebuild of their schooner they didn't have the money. They are financing their dream through a YT docco series on rebuilding a boat.
 
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