Peter Andersen
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probaly one of their non sailiing guests blew up the stopper. But anyone would have checked how it was led before letting them crank on it. She kept saying she could never get the sails balanced. WTF?
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Yeah, but Nikki’s an Instagram influencer who features killer onboard pizza recipes on her YT channel.
Yeah, but Nikki’s an Instagram influencer who features killer onboard pizza recipes on her YT channel.
The main headboard is incorrectly rigged. When correctly rigged it's like a less costly solution to the problem of how to deal with the gaff batten without manually attaching/detaching the sail from the headboard car every time it's hoisted or dropped. It works okay on smaller boats but on a 47 ft boat I'd expect a proper detaching headboard solution like the Anomaly or the Rigging Projects RPG system.
The dyneema solution is supposed to be rigged like this, pulling the car up and tight to the head of the sail when the luff is tensioned.
And yes, I've read some questionable things about the Neel boats as well.
That deck layout, the strange dinghy solution and their reputation all surprise me since the founder, Eric Bruneel, supposedly has a lot of sailed miles under his belt?
I don't but even I could tell you that running the main halyard at this angle isn't a good idea:
Someone spent money on a carbon mast for this thing but didn't install a clutch for the genoa sheet.
The fact that Neel's support suggested to "tighten the dyneema line" as a solution to the problem with the sail car doesn't fill me with confidence in their abilities either.
That deck layout, the strange dinghy solution and their reputation all surprise me since the founder, Eric Bruneel, supposedly has a lot of sailed miles under his belt?
I don't but even I could tell you that running the main halyard at this angle isn't a good idea:
Someone spent money on a carbon mast for this thing but didn't install a clutch for the genoa sheet.
The fact that Neel's support suggested to "tighten the dyneema line" as a solution to the problem with the sail car doesn't fill me with confidence in their abilities either.
dfw_sailor
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The two of us have agreed to defined periods of electronics down time, especially on the boat. Her family causes most of the messaging, although some work on weekends. So she has told her family that when we are on the boat, we are off media. If they have an urgent issue, then they can call me.
We decided collectively to take our life back!
Lost in Translation
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Good info above. Agreed. The spin outs on the Neel also seemed so odd. I’ve never sailed a boat that was so unbalanced that I had to run the motor to go straight nor heard of such. I am skeptical the boat is _that_ off on balance or rudder authority but have no first hand knowledge. I have seen videos and posts here from an early Neel that looked to be well sailed.
steele
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With the incorrect sail car and headboard set up the luff on the main is distorted and probably can not be tensioned for the conditions. The draft then moves aft, increasing weather helm. This is apparently beyond what the autopilot can handle. It is not clear if the boat could be hand steered or not. It is not really the Wynn's fault it was not rigged correctly. Fixing it if you had never seen that type of set up before would be hard, especially if you were then given misinformation on the repair.
The dingy situation looks cobbled together with blocks of wood on the mounts and lifting points too far inboard. I wonder if it is missing a tilt or slide mechanism? Again, they are doing what they can with the situation at hand.
The blown jammer, previous trouble with the furlling line, and the friction in the running rigging points to a need to sort things out. It is also a lesson on using powered winches. I suspect that if hand cranking they would have realized the friction was too high and backed off before something broke.
Overall I still think they do a pretty good job with their videos, although they are falling into the trap of making them too long for the content they have. Things should improve when they are out on their new boat.
The dingy situation looks cobbled together with blocks of wood on the mounts and lifting points too far inboard. I wonder if it is missing a tilt or slide mechanism? Again, they are doing what they can with the situation at hand.
The blown jammer, previous trouble with the furlling line, and the friction in the running rigging points to a need to sort things out. It is also a lesson on using powered winches. I suspect that if hand cranking they would have realized the friction was too high and backed off before something broke.
Overall I still think they do a pretty good job with their videos, although they are falling into the trap of making them too long for the content they have. Things should improve when they are out on their new boat.
Airwick
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I did watch the Winns on the Neel, quite the trainwreck!
Is the jammer setup straight from the factory (AND standard as opposed to built per the customer requirements)? It's not like it's hull #1 so you'd think they would have it sorted out by now. I've read about build quality issues before but seen lots of reports that it was "fine" so not sure what the deal is here...
The dinghy lift is at the end of the boom, my first thought was that it might be a lot easier if you rotated the boom off center so that the dinghy is between the main hull and ama when you lift it and then rotate it over the cradle.
Here's a side view (from www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RbPfndEjR4) of the dinghy lift on another 47: looks like they have to pull it forward quite a bit to reach the cradle so something is fishy with what is going on there...
Someone mentioned the "lack of problem solving", the headboard situation is a good example... It's clearly not rigged right, the line just needs to go back through the head of the sail after the car and it would be fine, a bit of googling would have helped them figure it out, or just looking at it
As far as balancing goes, that does seem really odd as there are lots of videos out there of Neels sailing just fine. It seems odd that the headboard situation would be enough to cause that, especially after putting a reef in and with the genoa out (when it can sail with full main and staysail!)
Were they dragging a crab trap wrapped around the rudder? Did they even try hand steering in which case was it an autopilot issue? So many questions!
Is the jammer setup straight from the factory (AND standard as opposed to built per the customer requirements)? It's not like it's hull #1 so you'd think they would have it sorted out by now. I've read about build quality issues before but seen lots of reports that it was "fine" so not sure what the deal is here...
The dinghy lift is at the end of the boom, my first thought was that it might be a lot easier if you rotated the boom off center so that the dinghy is between the main hull and ama when you lift it and then rotate it over the cradle.
Here's a side view (from www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RbPfndEjR4) of the dinghy lift on another 47: looks like they have to pull it forward quite a bit to reach the cradle so something is fishy with what is going on there...
Someone mentioned the "lack of problem solving", the headboard situation is a good example... It's clearly not rigged right, the line just needs to go back through the head of the sail after the car and it would be fine, a bit of googling would have helped them figure it out, or just looking at it
As far as balancing goes, that does seem really odd as there are lots of videos out there of Neels sailing just fine. It seems odd that the headboard situation would be enough to cause that, especially after putting a reef in and with the genoa out (when it can sail with full main and staysail!)
Were they dragging a crab trap wrapped around the rudder? Did they even try hand steering in which case was it an autopilot issue? So many questions!
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robtoujours
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In Fakebookland this popped up. I refused to click so don’t know what they’re on about 😊
Are they sure they've covered all the hashtags in this one? I think they may have missed one or two...
Israel Hands
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Anybody see this one? It popped up in my feed this morning. I only had time so scan it, but holy crap...another reminder that (as Charles de Gaulle put it) old age is a shipwreck... regardless of where you are.
Mendigo Diver
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Yes, the Caribbean premier of it was projected from my boat onto the sails of another in a hurricane hole in Martinique 2 years ago. I lived in Carriacou for a while so knew many of the people in it. Its very good
Peter Andersen
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Eight Bells: Paul Erling Johnson >> Scuttlebutt Sailing News
Paul Erling Johnson, a respected sailor and designer of boats, was born in England in 1938. He died on June 28, 2021, aged 83. A world-renowned sailor,
www.sailingscuttlebutt.com
TheDragon
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When I was anchored in Taiohae Bay in Nuku Hiva this past season, there was an even older guy who rowed his wooded dinghy painfully slowly each morning past my boat to the dinghy dock, and then settled into the nearby cafe with a coffee to spend most of the day on the internet using their free WiFi. One morning I hailed him as he passed and we had a long chat. His name, if I recall correctly, was Jack. He had sailed his original boat across the Pacific, but been dismasted and it was now sitting pretty much abandoned, at anchor at another of the Marquesas islands. He then flew back to California and bought an old ferro-cement boat and sailed it to Nuku Hiva, where he was now stuck as the engine had died and he had so many things to fix he could not envisage being able to leave. He said he was 75 and since I was 66 I said that was good news for me as it meant I might be able to sail for another decade. And he replied from his dinghy, "Yes, but I can see the end, it is just over there", pointing a few yards beyond his bow.
Dogscout
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That is a horror movie to me. I was in Tyrell bay a few weeks ago.
And so it begins - zombie boats in the Marquesas....
robtoujours
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Yup, I’m afraid to watch it.
He reminds me a bit of Don Street, who is still alive (93!) and was still racing his wooden Dragon FAFNER around here until recently.
Except that Don always had a house and family and was more commercially successful, eg with his cruising guides. Stability is underrated.
No flowers on a sailors grave …
he b gb
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I would suggest googling Paul Erling Johnson before watching this movie. I didn’t know anything about him before watching and felt it was slow and uninteresting, apparently he was quite a character, a designer of attractive classic monohulls and a very cool artist (also a total alcoholic which soon becomes obvious in the movie).
I would recommend most of the regular posters (mainly the ones getting on in years such as myself) in this forum to watch this movie, hopefully it will get you motivated to make the most out of life before becoming incapacitated like him.
I would recommend most of the regular posters (mainly the ones getting on in years such as myself) in this forum to watch this movie, hopefully it will get you motivated to make the most out of life before becoming incapacitated like him.
Unfortunately, his incapacitation was pretty much self-induced.
I remember both his boat and the Frith's version of it anchored in Bermuda years ago. The boats were pretty much pure Colin Archer types: not going anywhere fast, but pretty likely to get there safely.
A woman who worked for me many years ago took a month or so off from work back in the late 1980s to do a transatlantic with the Friths. It was a pretty uneventful trip, as I recall, but it took a long time.
